It would help if you stated what "we" means; "we" dont know what country you're from. England?
"Under EFTA, 20% of EU rules apply to Norway"
I don't know where you're getting this, but I live in Iceland (another EFTA country), and the vast majority of our regulations on goods, trade, etc come straight from EU regulations.
"but it can veto any rule under EFTA pillar, so any rules applying to it are negotiated beforehand to avoid veto. This is much better than QMV in EU."
Any *new* rule, not existing ones. And it's a right that's never been exercised, because it's not line-item, and thus would limit their potential to take part in new trade agreements. You can't just take the parts you like and not those you don't.
Council votes require unanimity in the case of the commission rejecting changes to proposals, aka, everyone has veto in such a case. The commissioners are appointed by member states, and the council is heads of state.
"And the UK also has oil"
More accurately, Scotland has oil. Or had you forgotten that? The gas fields are in the south. The oil fields are in the north:
"Scotland did not vote to stay in the UK to be part of the EU"
The two biggest arguments put forth by the "remain" side were precisely that: that there would be chaos if they left, and they'd lose access to being part of the EU. The situation is now precisely reversed. They can, and most likely will, reverse the previous vote.
"However, it did agree it was part of one nation."
It did no such thing. It was, and remains, its own country. It *is*, legally, a separate nation. It is what's known as a "constituent country" of the United Kingdom. It's called the United Kingdom because it's a union of multiple countries. It's right there in the name. The prime minister's website refers to them as "countries within a country"
" Spain and France have vetoed any separtist negotiations."
Funny, given how just seconds ago you were arguing that countries lose their ability to veto things in the EU ;)
"Under the Vienna Convention all migrants living in either Europe or the UK may continue in place."
"It is unlikely that freedom of movement, or participation in the Erasmus scheme will be affected. "
Except that everyone from the EU interviewed on the subject has stated precisely the opposite.
Re, your immigrant fear: the rate of immigration being talked about is less than half a percent of the UK's population per year. Which is hardly some sort of unsustainable rate. Furthermore, it's well established that immigrants tend to be a boon to local economies, as they tend to be young people with lots of working years ahead of them. They give to the economy a lot more than they get out of it.
Lastly, what exactly are your plans? Mass deportation of refugees? Kicking out immigrants who've lived there for years? How many treaties are you planning to ditch?
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@hickster "We are members of neither"
It would help if you stated what "we" means; "we" dont know what country you're from. England?
"Under EFTA, 20% of EU rules apply to Norway"
I don't know where you're getting this, but I live in Iceland (another EFTA country), and the vast majority of our regulations on goods, trade, etc come straight from EU regulations.
"but it can veto any rule under EFTA pillar, so any rules applying to it are negotiated beforehand to avoid veto. This is much better than QMV in EU."
Any *new* rule, not existing ones. And it's a right that's never been exercised, because it's not line-item, and thus would limit their potential to take part in new trade agreements. You can't just take the parts you like and not those you don't.
Council votes require unanimity in the case of the commission rejecting changes to proposals, aka, everyone has veto in such a case. The commissioners are appointed by member states, and the council is heads of state.
"And the UK also has oil"
More accurately, Scotland has oil. Or had you forgotten that? The gas fields are in the south. The oil fields are in the north:
http://noc.ac.uk/f/content/science-technology/marine-resources/hydrocarbons_img1.png
"Scotland did not vote to stay in the UK to be part of the EU"
The two biggest arguments put forth by the "remain" side were precisely that: that there would be chaos if they left, and they'd lose access to being part of the EU. The situation is now precisely reversed. They can, and most likely will, reverse the previous vote.
"However, it did agree it was part of one nation."
It did no such thing. It was, and remains, its own country. It *is*, legally, a separate nation. It is what's known as a "constituent country" of the United Kingdom. It's called the United Kingdom because it's a union of multiple countries. It's right there in the name. The prime minister's website refers to them as "countries within a country"
" Spain and France have vetoed any separtist negotiations."
Funny, given how just seconds ago you were arguing that countries lose their ability to veto things in the EU ;)
"Under the Vienna Convention all migrants living in either Europe or the UK may continue in place."
Hope shines eternal. Reality doesn't.
http://www.connexionfrance.com/Vienna-Convention-1969-expats-rights-residence-Brexit-17867-view-article.html
"It is unlikely that freedom of movement, or participation in the Erasmus scheme will be affected. "
Except that everyone from the EU interviewed on the subject has stated precisely the opposite.
Re, your immigrant fear: the rate of immigration being talked about is less than half a percent of the UK's population per year. Which is hardly some sort of unsustainable rate. Furthermore, it's well established that immigrants tend to be a boon to local economies, as they tend to be young people with lots of working years ahead of them. They give to the economy a lot more than they get out of it.
Lastly, what exactly are your plans? Mass deportation of refugees? Kicking out immigrants who've lived there for years? How many treaties are you planning to ditch?