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It's so popular for young men in Saudi Arabia to do crazy car stunts that it has become the no. 1 reason for early deaths, or "lost years". In all other countries it's things like diseases, crime, stroke, war and heart disease.
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10th August 2018
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6 years ago #9783224
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Another good reason to let Saudi women drive.....
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6 years ago #9782802
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hmmm must be nice for young men to get to be so out going in saudi arabia yet the women cant even go out or decide anything for themselves without a male guardian with her.....
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6 years ago #9782833
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@yoisi Very true. It is strange that "coincidentally" the most extreme Islamist countries are the closest allies of the West, while the Islamist countries that defend and proclaim the rights of women are the "evil" countries allied with Russia, etc.
But still we have to admit, women can already drive in Saudi Arabia, which is a progress.
But still we have to admit, women can already drive in Saudi Arabia, which is a progress.
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6 years ago #9782836
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@HHWinston
Now that you mention it, this mentions that so many young PEOPLE are dying in accidents. Think there's a bunch of wild and crazy chicks in burkas who let the new driving freedom go to their heads a little, and are doing figure eights in parking lots screaming "WOOO!"
...No, I don't really think so either, but it's amusing to imagine. ^_^
Now that you mention it, this mentions that so many young PEOPLE are dying in accidents. Think there's a bunch of wild and crazy chicks in burkas who let the new driving freedom go to their heads a little, and are doing figure eights in parking lots screaming "WOOO!"
...No, I don't really think so either, but it's amusing to imagine. ^_^
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6 years ago #9782855
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@HHWinston
Yeah, no. Russia is fairly close with Iran which has worse human rights than Saudi Arabia (barely), and Syria which, regardless of which side you supported in the civil war, was still being run by a psychopathic dictator worse than Erdogan.
Yeah, no. Russia is fairly close with Iran which has worse human rights than Saudi Arabia (barely), and Syria which, regardless of which side you supported in the civil war, was still being run by a psychopathic dictator worse than Erdogan.
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6 years ago #9782879
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@CorruptUser Yeah, no. Both Iran and Saudi Arabia are far from be perfect but between them, Saudi Arabia is worse in everything, not to mention that it is an absolute Monarchy. Affirmed by international organizations and foundations, you don't have to be very smart to see that Iran is much closer to a democracy than Saudi Arabia and its neighbors.
And here are some of the proofs:
Unlike Saudi Arabia, women in Iran have the right to vote, drive and travel alone. Women have served in Parliament and in Government (Marzieh Vahid-Dastjerdi). They have the right to education and can attend universities, unlike in Saudi Arabia.
-This year, on International Women's Day, Iranian President Hasan Rohani spoke live on television and criticized those who consider women a threat, saying that Iran has "a long way to go" and that "no will accept the culture of sexual discrimination. " "According to Islamic standards, man is not the strongest sex and the woman is not the weakest," he said.
-In relation to human rights, Iran is light years better than Saudi Arabia.
That Iran is against certain countries does not make it worse than others.
- In Saudi Arabia there is religious intolerance, in Iran Christians are the second religion.
And as for Assad, well, he may like you, he maybe not, he may look like a dictator for you, maybe not, but this dicator was elected by his people again and again by most of them. A dictator? Well, a democratically elected dictator.
And here are some of the proofs:
Unlike Saudi Arabia, women in Iran have the right to vote, drive and travel alone. Women have served in Parliament and in Government (Marzieh Vahid-Dastjerdi). They have the right to education and can attend universities, unlike in Saudi Arabia.
-This year, on International Women's Day, Iranian President Hasan Rohani spoke live on television and criticized those who consider women a threat, saying that Iran has "a long way to go" and that "no will accept the culture of sexual discrimination. " "According to Islamic standards, man is not the strongest sex and the woman is not the weakest," he said.
-In relation to human rights, Iran is light years better than Saudi Arabia.
That Iran is against certain countries does not make it worse than others.
- In Saudi Arabia there is religious intolerance, in Iran Christians are the second religion.
And as for Assad, well, he may like you, he maybe not, he may look like a dictator for you, maybe not, but this dicator was elected by his people again and again by most of them. A dictator? Well, a democratically elected dictator.
6 years ago #9782973
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@CorruptUser lol brainwashed american. Stop watching the lying fake western mainstream media (stealing trumps phrase. even if I don't like him he's correct that the western mainstream media is BS) Do some actual research will you? Saudi Arabia is way worse than Iran when it comes to womens rights and Human Rights in general
Saudi Arabia practices and spreads the most extremist sect of Islam called wahabbism, it executes people for "witchcraft" and beheads people in the public square. Oh and they are an absolute monarchy that passes power down the family line . Iran is none of these things. Saudi Arabia is clearly the worse country
Saudi Arabia practices and spreads the most extremist sect of Islam called wahabbism, it executes people for "witchcraft" and beheads people in the public square. Oh and they are an absolute monarchy that passes power down the family line . Iran is none of these things. Saudi Arabia is clearly the worse country
6 years ago #9783012
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@CorruptUser Assad is popular among the REAL syrian people(not the fake rebels from other invading countries) unlike what the lying mainstream media tells people. America has been getting in to non stop wars in the middle east under the pretense of "freedom and democracy" and you still havent figured it out? if they are so worried about dictators why arent they taking out the other various dictators in africa? plenty of dictators there but no one cares . because israel doesnt care therefore they dont matter
but syria matters because they are right next to israel and they arent in good terms with israel. and israel is an imperialistic country that wants to expand its borders which is why syria is a target. america does whatever israel wants
libya was a target because they tried to challenge the petro dollar and so was iraq. not to mention the war makes money for the establishment. they literally make profit out of more war
but syria matters because they are right next to israel and they arent in good terms with israel. and israel is an imperialistic country that wants to expand its borders which is why syria is a target. america does whatever israel wants
libya was a target because they tried to challenge the petro dollar and so was iraq. not to mention the war makes money for the establishment. they literally make profit out of more war
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6 years ago #9783154
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@yoisi
Uh, no. Assad was hated and a civil started without "fake rebels from other invading countries". The people that supported Assad only did so because they either thought he'd win or they saw the other sides as being worse. As the war dragged on and, yes, foreigners showed up to fight, it became clear that the only rebel groups that had any organization were those affiliated with Al Qaeda, which to many Syrians made Assad the lesser of three evils (the third being the Kurds who, if you were Arab, weren't exactly friendly).
And Iran vs SA? SA started in a much more backwards place and has been moving forwards (slowly) with women's and minority rights, where the entire selling point of the Iranian regime was that it was a return to harsher times. SA does preach and promote Salafism, but it should be noted that the non-Saudi Salafists have turned on SA since 1990 when SA "wore the cross" and let the coalition use Saudi soil in booting Saddam out of Kuwait, and at this point the Iranians have been giving more support to the Salafis than the Saudis have. It's... complicated, but Iran is more than happy to keep Sunnis murdering each other so long as they aren't pointed at Iran. And SA didn't have the "Basij", a literal army of children sent to run into minefields and sniper fire.
As for Israel; seriously dood, you try to insert the topic into every discussion.
Uh, no. Assad was hated and a civil started without "fake rebels from other invading countries". The people that supported Assad only did so because they either thought he'd win or they saw the other sides as being worse. As the war dragged on and, yes, foreigners showed up to fight, it became clear that the only rebel groups that had any organization were those affiliated with Al Qaeda, which to many Syrians made Assad the lesser of three evils (the third being the Kurds who, if you were Arab, weren't exactly friendly).
And Iran vs SA? SA started in a much more backwards place and has been moving forwards (slowly) with women's and minority rights, where the entire selling point of the Iranian regime was that it was a return to harsher times. SA does preach and promote Salafism, but it should be noted that the non-Saudi Salafists have turned on SA since 1990 when SA "wore the cross" and let the coalition use Saudi soil in booting Saddam out of Kuwait, and at this point the Iranians have been giving more support to the Salafis than the Saudis have. It's... complicated, but Iran is more than happy to keep Sunnis murdering each other so long as they aren't pointed at Iran. And SA didn't have the "Basij", a literal army of children sent to run into minefields and sniper fire.
As for Israel; seriously dood, you try to insert the topic into every discussion.
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6 years ago #9783208
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@CorruptUser yes i do. because israel is behind most of what is going on in the middle east. the fact that you ARENT bringing up israel just shows how ignorant you are about the whole situation in the middle east. you dont do any research on things beyond using western mainstream sources thats why you are so ignorant on geopolitical issues.
there are WAY worse dictators than assad around the world but they focus on assad the most because of geopolitical reasons. the same reason they attack iran but not saudi arabia. all because israel hates iran and syria.
you are right that it started as an internal rebellion i'll give you that but america and the CIA are pretty famous for using backdoor methods(funding rebels, spreading misinformation in the country , sanctioning the country to make the population unhappy etc. etc.) to incite rebellion that normally wouldn't have happened without their interference. but those rebels are the minority . majority of ordinary syrians support assad
look what happened to Gaddafi and Libya. all day, everyday they smear Gadaffi as a dictator. but now look whats happened to libya after gaddaffi was killed. it went from the MOST prosperous nation in africa to an absolute poverty stricken hellhole that is in constant war with terrorists everywhere, and that has f'ing child slavery now.
assad is the ONLY thing in syria stopping this from happening in the country. if assad goes, syria is finished and will become like Libya and Afghanistan. absolute hellholes.
there are WAY worse dictators than assad around the world but they focus on assad the most because of geopolitical reasons. the same reason they attack iran but not saudi arabia. all because israel hates iran and syria.
you are right that it started as an internal rebellion i'll give you that but america and the CIA are pretty famous for using backdoor methods(funding rebels, spreading misinformation in the country , sanctioning the country to make the population unhappy etc. etc.) to incite rebellion that normally wouldn't have happened without their interference. but those rebels are the minority . majority of ordinary syrians support assad
look what happened to Gaddafi and Libya. all day, everyday they smear Gadaffi as a dictator. but now look whats happened to libya after gaddaffi was killed. it went from the MOST prosperous nation in africa to an absolute poverty stricken hellhole that is in constant war with terrorists everywhere, and that has f'ing child slavery now.
assad is the ONLY thing in syria stopping this from happening in the country. if assad goes, syria is finished and will become like Libya and Afghanistan. absolute hellholes.
6 years ago #9783220
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@CorruptUser seriously find more independent news sources(even news sources from other non western countries will be fine) if you want to know more about whats going on in the middle east... the western mainstream media is not reliable . the western MSM is just so full of misinformation, omissions and lies and thats WHEN they choose to cover the wars at all (which is very very rarely)
and when they DO cover it not only do they lie and omit information but they will ALWAYS be on the side of more war more war
at the same time , western MSM is too busy trying to trick gullible emotional people in to thinking that we should take in more refugees from dangerous countries instead of trying to actually solve the ROOT of the problem and trying to stop the wars that are making those refugees flee in the first place.
and when they DO cover it not only do they lie and omit information but they will ALWAYS be on the side of more war more war
at the same time , western MSM is too busy trying to trick gullible emotional people in to thinking that we should take in more refugees from dangerous countries instead of trying to actually solve the ROOT of the problem and trying to stop the wars that are making those refugees flee in the first place.
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6 years ago #9783246
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@yoisi
1) When a news source is government owned, it's de facto not independent. So that kinda rules out Al Jazeera and RT, etc
2) As bad as Western MSM is, it's still lightyears ahead of the non-Western media
3) In terms of wealth, Saudi Arabia has Israel beat a couple times over and spends far more on influencing external powers, and Iran has about the same GDP but spends even more externally (which leads one of the biggest gripes the Iranians have; that their government cares more about meddling in foreign affairs than helping Iranians). Then there's Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, etc etc, all of which have their own spending and foreign affairs. If you honestly think Israel more powerful and influential internationally than any other, let alone all of them combined, you are assuming they must have some sort of supernatural or superhuman abilities that other countries and people don't. The reality is that everyone in the Mid-East screwing over everyone else, and when they work at cross purposes, that's just them working at cross purposes and not some nefarious plot by the Israelis.
1) When a news source is government owned, it's de facto not independent. So that kinda rules out Al Jazeera and RT, etc
2) As bad as Western MSM is, it's still lightyears ahead of the non-Western media
3) In terms of wealth, Saudi Arabia has Israel beat a couple times over and spends far more on influencing external powers, and Iran has about the same GDP but spends even more externally (which leads one of the biggest gripes the Iranians have; that their government cares more about meddling in foreign affairs than helping Iranians). Then there's Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, etc etc, all of which have their own spending and foreign affairs. If you honestly think Israel more powerful and influential internationally than any other, let alone all of them combined, you are assuming they must have some sort of supernatural or superhuman abilities that other countries and people don't. The reality is that everyone in the Mid-East screwing over everyone else, and when they work at cross purposes, that's just them working at cross purposes and not some nefarious plot by the Israelis.
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6 years ago #9783457
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@CorruptUser #9783246 ... and you really believe that channels that belong to conglomerates, millionaires, banks, landowners, entrepreneurs, etc. who obviously have interests in such matters, are onjective??? Please, a bit of judgment.
So you say that if a channel it's from a government it's a liar, but it isn't if the channel belongs to the factual economic powers? Please. It is better to say the truth about this:
I choose what I want to believe according to how I want to order the world, not that of "if the channel is from a government, it does not tell the truth" as if the channels of the banks and millionaires did not. Criteria first.
So you say that if a channel it's from a government it's a liar, but it isn't if the channel belongs to the factual economic powers? Please. It is better to say the truth about this:
I choose what I want to believe according to how I want to order the world, not that of "if the channel is from a government, it does not tell the truth" as if the channels of the banks and millionaires did not. Criteria first.
6 years ago #9783542
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@CorruptUser no. contrary to popular belief, corporate owned media is actually less reliable than govt owned media(from non western countries). i know its hard to believe but you actually have to watch them both to see it. i have seen both and thats the conclusion i myself came to.
you might come to a different conclusion but in order to do that, you need to actually WATCH other sources more. DIVERSIFY your news sources instead of stupidly limiting yourself to a single source(western establishment MSM)
corporate owned media only has their own agenda that they will push. their own economic agenda. but at least govt owned media has to answer to the public to a certain degree.
either way they both have bias thats why you should try to diversify your news sources as much as possible. and you dont even have to watch other govt owned news sources from other countries. even watching more smaller independent news sources like secular talk or jimmy dore on youtube would be better than the BS propaganda that is western MSM
israel GDP is less but you forget about all the extremely rich international zionists who are de facto citizens of isreal and who often work for israel's interests.
you might come to a different conclusion but in order to do that, you need to actually WATCH other sources more. DIVERSIFY your news sources instead of stupidly limiting yourself to a single source(western establishment MSM)
corporate owned media only has their own agenda that they will push. their own economic agenda. but at least govt owned media has to answer to the public to a certain degree.
either way they both have bias thats why you should try to diversify your news sources as much as possible. and you dont even have to watch other govt owned news sources from other countries. even watching more smaller independent news sources like secular talk or jimmy dore on youtube would be better than the BS propaganda that is western MSM
israel GDP is less but you forget about all the extremely rich international zionists who are de facto citizens of isreal and who often work for israel's interests.
6 years ago #9783550
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@CorruptUser no im not assuming israel has super natural powers. but i know that they have a lot of powerful and rich religious christian puppets as well as powerful and rich de facto duel citizenship israelis in other countries working for their bests interests.
its very obvious when you pay close attention to whats going on and what sort of polices are being passed in western countries that benefit israel far more than they benefit their own country.....
do you know that america gives israel billions of dollars for free every year for absolutely no reason? do you know that israel's lobby group AIPAC is the only foreign lobby group in america that doesnt have to register as a foreign agent?
did you know that netenyahu himself BRAGGED about getting trump to pull out of the iran deal? do you know that some american states have tried to make it ILLEGAL to boycott israeli goods? and you seriously think israel has no power.....
all the wars in the middle east. none of them benefit america. they only benefit israel. these are clearly israel's wars that america is fighting
i understand you dont know about this. most people dont you only really pick this up if you follow geopolitics everyday.
its very obvious when you pay close attention to whats going on and what sort of polices are being passed in western countries that benefit israel far more than they benefit their own country.....
do you know that america gives israel billions of dollars for free every year for absolutely no reason? do you know that israel's lobby group AIPAC is the only foreign lobby group in america that doesnt have to register as a foreign agent?
did you know that netenyahu himself BRAGGED about getting trump to pull out of the iran deal? do you know that some american states have tried to make it ILLEGAL to boycott israeli goods? and you seriously think israel has no power.....
all the wars in the middle east. none of them benefit america. they only benefit israel. these are clearly israel's wars that america is fighting
i understand you dont know about this. most people dont you only really pick this up if you follow geopolitics everyday.
6 years ago #9783557
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@CorruptUser just wanted to add one more thing.... did you know that a few months back when things were getting tense between russia and america over the illegal airstrikes against syria
, whilst the stupid western media was talking about crap like which new porn star was involved with trump, RT was telling its audience the best way to survive a nuclear fallout? just goes to show who actually cares about the people more...
, whilst the stupid western media was talking about crap like which new porn star was involved with trump, RT was telling its audience the best way to survive a nuclear fallout? just goes to show who actually cares about the people more...
6 years ago #9782979
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@HHWinston and the prince of saudi will be allowed woman to wear bikinis in his new exquisite luxury resort. Alcohol is banned under Saudi law and it is not clear if it will be allowed on the resort. What??what??.. Just for the money, they break their own stupid laws.. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/02/saudi-arabia-open-luxury-beach-resort-women-can-wear-bikinis/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/02/saudi-arabia-open-luxury-beach-resort-women-can-wear-bikinis/amp/
6 years ago #9783718
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@yoisi In Saudi women can go out whenever they want (Uber exists there and women use it prolifically ), they can start their own businesses, work, open and manage their own bank accounts, go to school, pretty much anything without requiring the permission of a man. The inability to drive put financial and/or timing restrictions on women because they had to either pay extra for a taxi or a driver or wait for a male relative to take them, but they didn't have to stay at home because they needed the explicit permission of a man. (Unless of course they had an abusive husband or something, but that would be true in any country, and it's not written into law).
I'm not saying that Saudi is perfect- far from it - but it's better to focus on facts. There have been many women's rights advancements recently, but If I recall correctly, the main things that are left that require a male guardian's permission are being able to leave the country and getting married (and the fact that male guardians exist, even if all their power is taken away). These are serious issues that need changing. Adding false information about the status of women's rights distracts from these more pressing (i.e. real) issues.
Source: Spent most of my adult live around Saudis regularly, follow political updates in Saudi, been to Saudi twice as a woman, married to a Saudi and did not need his permission to take an Uber and go out within Saudi, my Saudi female in-laws work and need no one's permission to take on new contracts, get a new job, go to a coffee shop, get a gym membership, etc.
I'm not saying that Saudi is perfect- far from it - but it's better to focus on facts. There have been many women's rights advancements recently, but If I recall correctly, the main things that are left that require a male guardian's permission are being able to leave the country and getting married (and the fact that male guardians exist, even if all their power is taken away). These are serious issues that need changing. Adding false information about the status of women's rights distracts from these more pressing (i.e. real) issues.
Source: Spent most of my adult live around Saudis regularly, follow political updates in Saudi, been to Saudi twice as a woman, married to a Saudi and did not need his permission to take an Uber and go out within Saudi, my Saudi female in-laws work and need no one's permission to take on new contracts, get a new job, go to a coffee shop, get a gym membership, etc.
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6 years ago #9783728
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@cdub ok go live in saudi arabia then
seriously stop trying to defend the indefensible just because you have a saudi husband. you probably went to a more modern area but most of the country is still backwards as crap. there are still PLENTY of areas in saudi arabia where you cant go out without a male guardian. have you tried living in more rural areas? actually LIVING there and not just visiting a few days as a tourist?
and even that modern area you went to is still not impressive literally every country has all those rights for women that you just listed....im not here to list off what saudi women can do. im here to list off what saudi women cannot do and SHOULD be able to do.
and thats not even talking about the wife beating and rapes that are common place in the country. you say it happens in every country. but you know full well that it happens in some countries far more than it happens in others.
god damn it, why do i always feel like western women are always fighting for feminism in the wrong places.? feminism is no longer necessary in the west, yet there are so many crazy feminists in america but saudi arabia a country that needs feminism THE MOST has silly american women like you rushing to its defense. what are you people? masochists or something? why are the males supporting me on this, more than the females? maybe the rumors are true that females like to tear each other down.
saudi arabia has legit the worst female rights in the world-no other country comes close. im not going to give them praise just for having a FEW rights for women (that they are supposed to have anyway) . im going to tear them down for the rights they HAVENT given to women. if we only ever focused on the positive when it comes to female rights, females would never have gotten the right to vote in the west . the west already had plenty of female rights(certainly more than saudi arabia) by the time the protests came that allowed women the right to vote
besides, the saudis have also spreading their extremist wahabbi beliefs all over the muslim world and they are opening mosques and funding terrorists. stop defending them
seriously stop trying to defend the indefensible just because you have a saudi husband. you probably went to a more modern area but most of the country is still backwards as crap. there are still PLENTY of areas in saudi arabia where you cant go out without a male guardian. have you tried living in more rural areas? actually LIVING there and not just visiting a few days as a tourist?
and even that modern area you went to is still not impressive literally every country has all those rights for women that you just listed....im not here to list off what saudi women can do. im here to list off what saudi women cannot do and SHOULD be able to do.
and thats not even talking about the wife beating and rapes that are common place in the country. you say it happens in every country. but you know full well that it happens in some countries far more than it happens in others.
god damn it, why do i always feel like western women are always fighting for feminism in the wrong places.? feminism is no longer necessary in the west, yet there are so many crazy feminists in america but saudi arabia a country that needs feminism THE MOST has silly american women like you rushing to its defense. what are you people? masochists or something? why are the males supporting me on this, more than the females? maybe the rumors are true that females like to tear each other down.
saudi arabia has legit the worst female rights in the world-no other country comes close. im not going to give them praise just for having a FEW rights for women (that they are supposed to have anyway) . im going to tear them down for the rights they HAVENT given to women. if we only ever focused on the positive when it comes to female rights, females would never have gotten the right to vote in the west . the west already had plenty of female rights(certainly more than saudi arabia) by the time the protests came that allowed women the right to vote
besides, the saudis have also spreading their extremist wahabbi beliefs all over the muslim world and they are opening mosques and funding terrorists. stop defending them
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6 years ago #9783832
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@yoisi Please do tear Saudi down for the rights that they don't give to women. But please do so accurately. Saudi women can and do go out of the house without a male guardian with them, and could and did before the driving ban was lifted. Driving for women was actually more permitted in rural areas, my guess due to the distance from authority and the reality of living on a farm. I'm all for women's rights/rights in general - I have a few in mind that I feel Saudi urgently needs to get up to speed on (abolishing the male guardian, family rights, freedom of religion, etc) - but I'm quite tired of hearing one story from Saudi women's rights activists and another from Western media. I'm curious to know where you get your information from.
And I would be happy to live there someday :-) The career opportunities for me are great, the people are friendly, and the country is progressing rather than regressing like some others I can think of.
(it would also be good for you to learn what an ad hominem fallacy is).
And I would be happy to live there someday :-) The career opportunities for me are great, the people are friendly, and the country is progressing rather than regressing like some others I can think of.
(it would also be good for you to learn what an ad hominem fallacy is).
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6 years ago #9783840
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@cdub got my information from documentaries, news and a bit of common sense. men from Syria and Afghanistan already have so much disrespect for women(the rape rates in europe have skyrocketed because of them) and saudi arabia practices a much more extremist sect of islam (wahabbism) than they do so, i simply put the treatment of women in saudi arabia at a lower bar than i do for the syrian and afghanistan people which is already very low to begin with.
My parents came from a moderate muslim(even secular ) country and i still hate that place. saudi arabia is 100X more conservative so i have very low expectations for them
saudi arabia practices the same extremist islamic sect as the one that isis practices. you know that right? a country that still beheads people in the public square for witchcraft and that constantly funds terrorists around the world(thats a fact. pay attention to geopolitics more. saudi arabia funds a lot of the terrorists in syria), is not a country id trust to have even moderate woman's rights.
like i said its probably a more modern part of saudi arabia you went to, that doesnt need male guardians for females to go out anymore.
but you need to separate "law" from "functionality",. even if by law women can drive or go out without their husbands in rural areas the chances are ,in practice their husbands dont let them or thatd get beaten up by the "morality police" for doing so.
but by all means. go live in saudi arabia and prove me wrong.... make sure you live in a super rural area too.
My parents came from a moderate muslim(even secular ) country and i still hate that place. saudi arabia is 100X more conservative so i have very low expectations for them
saudi arabia practices the same extremist islamic sect as the one that isis practices. you know that right? a country that still beheads people in the public square for witchcraft and that constantly funds terrorists around the world(thats a fact. pay attention to geopolitics more. saudi arabia funds a lot of the terrorists in syria), is not a country id trust to have even moderate woman's rights.
like i said its probably a more modern part of saudi arabia you went to, that doesnt need male guardians for females to go out anymore.
but you need to separate "law" from "functionality",. even if by law women can drive or go out without their husbands in rural areas the chances are ,in practice their husbands dont let them or thatd get beaten up by the "morality police" for doing so.
but by all means. go live in saudi arabia and prove me wrong.... make sure you live in a super rural area too
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6 years ago #9783841
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@cdub
sure i know what ad hominem is. what about it? i did use logical arguments , though i did throw a little bit of personal attacks in there i admit... but am i factually wrong with those attacks? i dont think so. western women tend to try to defend truly crappy and REAL misogynistic cultures and then attack their own people for being misogynistic even though their own countries are far more free. im sick of this behavior.
it makes me sick when i see feminists in the west attacking their own western men for supposed misogyny all day, every day and then turn around and try to defend the nijabs and hijabs which are TRUE symbols of misogyny as well as defending and inviting in refugees that have made europe's crime and rape rates skyrocket.
and they call themselves feminists after messing up the lives of the females in the country just to defend some backwards religion? PLEASE. . theres just so much double standards .
im angry because the first person i see trying to defend these backwards misogynistic cultures is ALWAYS a western women. ALWAYS without fail... thats why i said women like to tear other women down even when they self proclaim themselves to be feminists. . btw did you get some saudi friends to downvote me or did you create 3 other accounts to downvote me or what?
maybe by law the women dont need a male guardian to go out but functionally they still do in many less modern places in the country. why do you think you often see videos of saudi streets that have like NO women around? thats not normal
and do you have anything to say about the fact that they just jailed or even gave death sentences to the feminists who worked so hard to try to get the right to drive? stop defending this country just cause its your husbands homeland
sure i know what ad hominem is. what about it? i did use logical arguments , though i did throw a little bit of personal attacks in there i admit... but am i factually wrong with those attacks? i dont think so. western women tend to try to defend truly crappy and REAL misogynistic cultures and then attack their own people for being misogynistic even though their own countries are far more free. im sick of this behavior.
it makes me sick when i see feminists in the west attacking their own western men for supposed misogyny all day, every day and then turn around and try to defend the nijabs and hijabs which are TRUE symbols of misogyny as well as defending and inviting in refugees that have made europe's crime and rape rates skyrocket.
and they call themselves feminists after messing up the lives of the females in the country just to defend some backwards religion? PLEASE. . theres just so much double standards .
im angry because the first person i see trying to defend these backwards misogynistic cultures is ALWAYS a western women. ALWAYS without fail... thats why i said women like to tear other women down even when they self proclaim themselves to be feminists. . btw did you get some saudi friends to downvote me or did you create 3 other accounts to downvote me or what?
maybe by law the women dont need a male guardian to go out but functionally they still do in many less modern places in the country. why do you think you often see videos of saudi streets that have like NO women around? thats not normal
and do you have anything to say about the fact that they just jailed or even gave death sentences to the feminists who worked so hard to try to get the right to drive? stop defending this country just cause its your husbands homeland
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6 years ago #9783851
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@yoisi I claim one downvote on the first post and no others :-)
The feminists I mentioned are indeed in jail, which is part of why I'm saying that there are huge problems and we need to focus on the real issues, not on inaccurate claims.
I agree that smaller towns have less public spaces for women as well (such as restaurants and cafés). Most social life happens in private spaces anyway, but it would be a step forward if public spaces could open up. In big cities this is a nonissue.
I *have* lived in Syria and I feel *way* safer and more comfortable as a woman in Saudi than there. In Saudi I met more conservatives as far as dress code goes, in Syria waaaaay more mysogyny. The two are not equal. And Afghanistan, I think you only have to look at women's education/literacy status to know that there is a difference, and Saudi is not the worst off. Many of the changes we're seeing are because Saudi invested heavily in women's education, and now it's simply not logical not to encourage half of your highly-educated population participate in the country's economic development.
You may not have seen women in the documentaries because actually in Saudi it's really rude/taboo to film women without their permission, and many women will get upset if you do.
To be fair there have been many, many changes with regards to women's/human rights over the past few years and your info may be rapidly outdated, even if it was true five years ago. The religious police, for example, have little to no power now.
The feminists I mentioned are indeed in jail, which is part of why I'm saying that there are huge problems and we need to focus on the real issues, not on inaccurate claims.
I agree that smaller towns have less public spaces for women as well (such as restaurants and cafés). Most social life happens in private spaces anyway, but it would be a step forward if public spaces could open up. In big cities this is a nonissue.
I *have* lived in Syria and I feel *way* safer and more comfortable as a woman in Saudi than there. In Saudi I met more conservatives as far as dress code goes, in Syria waaaaay more mysogyny. The two are not equal. And Afghanistan, I think you only have to look at women's education/literacy status to know that there is a difference, and Saudi is not the worst off. Many of the changes we're seeing are because Saudi invested heavily in women's education, and now it's simply not logical not to encourage half of your highly-educated population participate in the country's economic development.
You may not have seen women in the documentaries because actually in Saudi it's really rude/taboo to film women without their permission, and many women will get upset if you do.
To be fair there have been many, many changes with regards to women's/human rights over the past few years and your info may be rapidly outdated, even if it was true five years ago. The religious police, for example, have little to no power now.
6 years ago #9782869
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Unemployment of males age 16-29 in Saudi Arabia is 30%. Various reasons for this including the terrible education system, and that they import foreigners to do all real work (most of the *employed* 16-29 natives are in sinecures - boring, useless jobs).
And bored 16-25yo males are the most dangerous thing in the world. At least they're just killing themselves here.
And bored 16-25yo males are the most dangerous thing in the world. At least they're just killing themselves here.
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6 years ago #9782882
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@oldtaku Then we are in serious problems, there are many unemployed in the world who may be bored ....
PS: do you really think that an unemployed person will lose time in that way? Those who do that are obviously bored rich boys.
PS: do you really think that an unemployed person will lose time in that way? Those who do that are obviously bored rich boys.
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6 years ago #9782885
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@HHWinston Our problems have only just started. Soon automation will produce a lot more bored unemployed everywhere.
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6 years ago #9782888
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@Rogers See? Another reason we should Abolish Machinery Partly. First they take our Jobs, then they take our Lives. We must be prepare before its too late!
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6 years ago #9782961
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@Mixu Don't be a Luddite.
We just need to tax automation and use it to fund public works projects like we did in the 1930s.
We just need to tax automation and use it to fund public works projects like we did in the 1930s.
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6 years ago #9782983
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@txag70 That kind of Machinery is still good, but not Robots and Jobtakers. Machines were build to help our living, not Replace it. Purge the Machines! Saudi Arabia has already given citizenship for one of the Pre-sentient Machines, we should Abolish such things!
6 years ago #9783000
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@Mixu
Your not going to abolish it successfully unless you manage to get an autocratic world state, which I would definitely prefer to avoid. As long as there are multiple states, while some might seek cheap labour to do the jobs, including the ones most people would want to avoid then there will be longer term advantages in automation.
Part of the problem is cultural. If there's few options for doing things you want to do and in many countries a culture that the only way to have 'respect' is to be doing some sort of paid work it causes problems when either you have a lot of unemployed or people in low paid and soul destroying jobs who look for some sort of escape. Coupled with if there's no real identification with their community and hence a moral values system that encourages people to spend their free time in non-negative ways.
Increasing automation will come. Some nations/states will lag behind and they and their people will suffer as a result. Those who accept automation will need to adapt to change, by providing outlets for frustration and plenty of options for people to find things to do with their time. However they will do better than those who offer their populations, whether unemployed or in dead-end jobs, no hope for a better future.
Your not going to abolish it successfully unless you manage to get an autocratic world state, which I would definitely prefer to avoid. As long as there are multiple states, while some might seek cheap labour to do the jobs, including the ones most people would want to avoid then there will be longer term advantages in automation.
Part of the problem is cultural. If there's few options for doing things you want to do and in many countries a culture that the only way to have 'respect' is to be doing some sort of paid work it causes problems when either you have a lot of unemployed or people in low paid and soul destroying jobs who look for some sort of escape. Coupled with if there's no real identification with their community and hence a moral values system that encourages people to spend their free time in non-negative ways.
Increasing automation will come. Some nations/states will lag behind and they and their people will suffer as a result. Those who accept automation will need to adapt to change, by providing outlets for frustration and plenty of options for people to find things to do with their time. However they will do better than those who offer their populations, whether unemployed or in dead-end jobs, no hope for a better future.
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6 years ago #9783002
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@stevep59 There must be! We cannot just stand here and let those Metal cans Evolve into a Synthetic Race, or else Ill have a reason to call humanity a mistake. We need assasins to Eliminate their Wisest Examples, For example, "Sofia" as they call it should be done with. Next there will be replacements with Human organs, Heresy I say! Breaking Sanctity to Human Body!
6 years ago #9783033
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@Mixu Darn robots coming here taking our jobs. We will build a wall and make the AI pay for it.
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6 years ago #9782965
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@HHWinston Looking into history: One major reason cited why Britain brought forth lots and lots of pirates, whereas the Netherlands did not, was that the Netherlands had a state program going, to hire unemployed naval men during peace for herring fishing, whereas Britain left fired soldiers and sailors to fend for themselves.
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6 years ago #9782884
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'@oldtaku' most destructive weapon in any army is a bored private.
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6 years ago #9783062
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@comrade_Comrade You are technically correct. The best kind of correct. [https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/909/991/48c.jpg] (Dang it, I don't get the image working...)
6 years ago #9782798
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you should cover how saudi arabia is jailing and even giving death sentences to their feminists that had fought for the right for women to drive , yet the western mainstream media wont cover it because saudi arabia is apparently an "ally". the media will complain all day, every day about russia and iran, when in fact our supposed allies saudi arabia and israel often commit human rights abuses , worse than russia and iran.
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6 years ago #9782800
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@yoisi Canada and Saudi Arabia are having a bit of a "bitch fight" diplomatically speaking...
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6 years ago #9782803
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@LuxVertas and one of saudi arabia's ministers tweeted a picture of a plane flying in to one of canada's buildings(in reference to 9/11 which was actually mostly saudi plane hijackers).....yet the media didnt say anything about it and american govt said they would remain neutral.
disgusting....
disgusting....
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6 years ago #9782835
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@yoisi shame we can't just send a the army to their capital and beat several slates of shit out of the leaders
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6 years ago #9782847
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@LuxVertas I am one of those people who are against countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Arab Emirates, etc., extremist traitor countries that kill their own people, but even so, I don't agree with any intervention. We don't have the right to say what is wrong and good (we are neither saints nor perfect), otherwise the people must overthrow them. With the same criteria, any country or people angry with us could invade us and assassinate our leaders (although that last one would not be bad :P), besides, what you say would never happen since Saudi Arabia is a big and close ally of the West.
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6 years ago #9782859
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@HHWinston @HHWinston well the west is already ITCHING to invade iran anyway. so if they MUST mess up another muslim middle east country again, it would be saudi arabia the birth place and spreader of the most extreme sect of islam called Wahhabism.......but no. go after the more moderate shia Iran instead because israel hates iran. and we all most follow the orders of our lord and master israel right?
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6 years ago #9782880
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@yoisi No. We should not follow the whims of Israel, but the West does it. I was just saying one truth, the west will never attack Saudi Arabia since it is their ally, regrettable.
6 years ago #9782997
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@yoisi
Not the west, Primarily the Orange Fart. Which does seem odd as Iran and his master are on quite good terms, unless Putin is thinking with the war in Syria pretty much won its time to do a back-stab?
There are some pretty nasty extremist scum in Iran but relatively low in number. Unfortunately their the ones in power so they tend to suppress attempts at reform that the bulk of the population want.
Agree that Saudi is a vile regime and disappointed that no one is supporting Canada against the latest round of idiotic insults and threats from Saudi. Mostly their hurting themselves as the students and people require medical treatment will suffer worse and they will have to pay more for food by blocking purchases from Canada. However that implied threat of terrorist attack is both evil and bloody stupid.
Its also worrying that having finally made a step towards some rights for women their now abusing people looking to improve human rights in the country.
Not the west, Primarily the Orange Fart. Which does seem odd as Iran and his master are on quite good terms, unless Putin is thinking with the war in Syria pretty much won its time to do a back-stab?
There are some pretty nasty extremist scum in Iran but relatively low in number. Unfortunately their the ones in power so they tend to suppress attempts at reform that the bulk of the population want.
Agree that Saudi is a vile regime and disappointed that no one is supporting Canada against the latest round of idiotic insults and threats from Saudi. Mostly their hurting themselves as the students and people require medical treatment will suffer worse and they will have to pay more for food by blocking purchases from Canada. However that implied threat of terrorist attack is both evil and bloody stupid.
Its also worrying that having finally made a step towards some rights for women their now abusing people looking to improve human rights in the country.
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6 years ago #9783036
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@stevep59 his master isnt putin. thats a deliberate misdirection propagated by the main stream media. his true master is netenyahu. israel hates iran thats why trump is war mongering against iran.
its not just a trump problem. all the western media has been pro war and the wars in the middle east have been going on since long before trump. the wars are for israels sake why do you think they deliberately target all of israel's neighboring enemies? ...saudi arabia is an ally of israel so they dont target saudi arabia
thats what happens when you have so many duel citizenship israelis in the govt... i mean ivanka, jered, the people in charge of the american federal reserve, chuck schumer ALL have defacto israeli citizenship.
and then theres the evengalical christians that have religious reasons for wanting to support israel.....some states are literally trying to make laws that ban people (like #BDS) from boycotting israeli goods . its ridiculous.
europe isnt immune either. they went in to the wars in the middle east as well and a scottish guy recently got locked up just because he made a joke video where he taught his dog how to do the nazi salute
its not just a trump problem. all the western media has been pro war and the wars in the middle east have been going on since long before trump. the wars are for israels sake why do you think they deliberately target all of israel's neighboring enemies? ...saudi arabia is an ally of israel so they dont target saudi arabia
thats what happens when you have so many duel citizenship israelis in the govt... i mean ivanka, jered, the people in charge of the american federal reserve, chuck schumer ALL have defacto israeli citizenship.
and then theres the evengalical christians that have religious reasons for wanting to support israel.....some states are literally trying to make laws that ban people (like #BDS) from boycotting israeli goods . its ridiculous.
europe isnt immune either. they went in to the wars in the middle east as well and a scottish guy recently got locked up just because he made a joke video where he taught his dog how to do the nazi salute
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6 years ago #9783171
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@yoisi
You have a very narrow view of the last few decades in the ME. Yes Bush junior was stupid to try and complete what his father failed to do in removing Saddam but otherwise the interventions have been very limited and have largely been for humanitarian reasons. It has been the lack of will for this that has meant so little has been done against extreme groups in the region or to prevent human suffering. [Then when it has its been done its often been in such a incompetent method that very little has been successful.] After all by your standards Iran would have been invaded decades ago.
Similarly the big intervention in recent years has been by Putin in Syria, to support a ruthless dictatorship.
I don't see the relevance of an idiot in Scotland teaching his dog a Nazi salute?
There is a problem with growing reactionary Christianity in the US, which for its own deluded ideas have supported Israel, even as the latter has verged from its liberal democratic foundations to a more bigoted and exclusive state, making it more like its neighbours. Part of this may be in reaction to the continued growth of reactionary Islam, especially since 79, but part I think because of a decline in liberal ideas in the US. Elsewhere in the western world liberalism is still reasonably strong and a classic example is the decline if not collapse of church power in Ireland, aided by the massive evidence of its moral corruption.
You have a very narrow view of the last few decades in the ME. Yes Bush junior was stupid to try and complete what his father failed to do in removing Saddam but otherwise the interventions have been very limited and have largely been for humanitarian reasons. It has been the lack of will for this that has meant so little has been done against extreme groups in the region or to prevent human suffering. [Then when it has its been done its often been in such a incompetent method that very little has been successful.] After all by your standards Iran would have been invaded decades ago.
Similarly the big intervention in recent years has been by Putin in Syria, to support a ruthless dictatorship.
I don't see the relevance of an idiot in Scotland teaching his dog a Nazi salute?
There is a problem with growing reactionary Christianity in the US, which for its own deluded ideas have supported Israel, even as the latter has verged from its liberal democratic foundations to a more bigoted and exclusive state, making it more like its neighbours.
Part of this may be in reaction to the continued growth of reactionary Islam, especially since 79, but part I think because of a decline in liberal ideas in the US. Elsewhere in the western world liberalism is still reasonably strong and a classic example is the decline if not collapse of church power in Ireland, aided by the massive evidence of its moral corruption.
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6 years ago #9783544
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@stevep59 dictatorship in syria? if putin didnt support the so called syrian dictatorship , syria would fall in to utter and complete chaos like libya did. whether you like assad or not he is the only one keeping some semblance of peace and order in the country. stop watching to lying fake western MSM. they dont care about human rights. toppling assad has never been because of human rights. its always been because of geopolitical reasons.
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6 years ago #9783575
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@yoisi
Given the brutality of the Assad regime and its refuse to accept peaceful calls for reform, instead relying on murderous oppression, which is why so much bloodshed and suffering has occurred in Syria we will have to disagree on that one.
Given the brutality of the Assad regime and its refuse to accept peaceful calls for reform, instead relying on murderous oppression, which is why so much bloodshed and suffering has occurred in Syria we will have to disagree on that one.
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6 years ago #9783647
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@stevep59 lol you are still falling for western MSM BS. they said the same thing about gaddaffi. and now what has happened to libya after he's gone? stop being brainwashed by the lies of the western MSM.
what reform? name what assad has done that is so wrong ? attack protesters? america's done that. remember when a girl lost her arm when protesting against dakota pipeline(because they used powerful water pumps?). besides 99% of the non western world treat protestors the same crappy way (name one that doesnt)why only pick on assad... ?
chemical attacks? that one was a false flag lie and its very obvious. especially when you look at the suspicious timing that it happened ie. it always happens when assad is gaining ground which is always the worse time for assad to use it and invite international interference against him. . suspicious isnt it? besides once again if you actually did some independent research on it you would find out that america uses chemical weapons in the middle east as well
america supports 75% of the world's dictatorship do not pretend that they are trying to overthrow assad for humanitarian reasons. STOP ONLY WATCHING WESTERN MSM . DIVERSIFY YOUR NEWS SOURCES.
this is why you are so ignorant about the situation because you dont do any independent research in to whats going on. you only watch the propaganda that is western msm
what reform? name what assad has done that is so wrong ? attack protesters? america's done that. remember when a girl lost her arm when protesting against dakota pipeline(because they used powerful water pumps?). besides 99% of the non western world treat protestors the same crappy way (name one that doesnt)why only pick on assad... ?
chemical attacks? that one was a false flag lie and its very obvious. especially when you look at the suspicious timing that it happened ie. it always happens when assad is gaining ground which is always the worse time for assad to use it and invite international interference against him. . suspicious isnt it? besides once again if you actually did some independent research on it you would find out that america uses chemical weapons in the middle east as well
america supports 75% of the world's dictatorship do not pretend that they are trying to overthrow assad for humanitarian reasons. STOP ONLY WATCHING WESTERN MSM . DIVERSIFY YOUR NEWS SOURCES.
this is why you are so ignorant about the situation because you dont do any independent research in to whats going on. you only watch the propaganda that is western msm
6 years ago #9783545
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@stevep59 the relevance of that "idiot in scotland " is that he shouldnt have gotten arrested for a joke whether you think the joke was in bad taste or not. the fact that he got arrested for something harmless(even if it was offensive) is wrong. he himself even said that it was a joke , his video said that he was teaching the dog the most offensive acts to get back at his girlfriend but the court just threw out the context of the situation just to arrest him. dont you think thats wrong?
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6 years ago #9783577
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@yoisi
Depends on the circumstances, which I don't know and not sure if you do? Why would training the dog to do a Nazi sign be a way of getting back at an [presumably ex] girlfriend? Was this video made during that training or after his arrest? Context tends to be vital in a lot of cases and this could just be an idiot being stupid or something nastier. The authorities could have over-reacted but I don't know enough to be sure.
Depends on the circumstances, which I don't know and not sure if you do? Why would training the dog to do a Nazi sign be a way of getting back at an [presumably ex] girlfriend? Was this video made during that training or after his arrest? Context tends to be vital in a lot of cases and this could just be an idiot being stupid or something nastier. The authorities could have over-reacted but I don't know enough to be sure.
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6 years ago #9783642
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@stevep59 it was a bloody joke. you cant arrest someone over a bloody joke. the courts knew the context but they purposely threw it out any still arrested him anyway. because we cant do anything to offend the chosen ones can we? if anything that joke should have been more offensive to nazis because its satirizing them with a dog
do you know that in during the ww2 times, someone tried something similar and the nazis decided to let it go because they thought it wasnt worth getting worked up over something so minor? doesnt that make the british courts MORE authoritarian than the nazis then? the fact they arrested a guy for this but the nazis themselves were chill enough to let it go?
do you know that in during the ww2 times, someone tried something similar and the nazis decided to let it go because they thought it wasnt worth getting worked up over something so minor? doesnt that make the british courts MORE authoritarian than the nazis then? the fact they arrested a guy for this but the nazis themselves were chill enough to let it go?
6 years ago #9783039
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@stevep59 I think Trump's current anti Iran nonsense comes from his American masters, not Putin. It looks like the Republicans may be taking control of Trump and aim to turn him into a obedient fall-guy like Bush jr.
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6 years ago #9783172
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@Rogers
There are elements in the party that are verging on the same level of stupidity as Trump but I think its more he's helping drag the party towards him rather than them pushing him. His more extreme policies are still being opposed by substantial numbers of Republican politicians as well as Democrat ones.
This could change after this autumn's elections as a lot of Republicans are retiring and you could get more extremists riding in on his coat-tails but we will have to see what happens.
There are elements in the party that are verging on the same level of stupidity as Trump but I think its more he's helping drag the party towards him rather than them pushing him. His more extreme policies are still being opposed by substantial numbers of Republican politicians as well as Democrat ones.
This could change after this autumn's elections as a lot of Republicans are retiring and you could get more extremists riding in on his coat-tails but we will have to see what happens.
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6 years ago #9783221
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@stevep59 Good points. You are probably right. The fact that the Republicans recently forced Trump to turn on Russia make me suspect otherwise but that could just be a minor change in the long run.
Speaking of Iran, do you think the Yanks really have the balls to start a war with them or is this recent hostile rhetoric just more empty tough guy talk from Trump?
Speaking of Iran, do you think the Yanks really have the balls to start a war with them or is this recent hostile rhetoric just more empty tough guy talk from Trump?
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6 years ago #9783442
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@Rogers
I think and hope its just empty rhetoric from Trump as it would cause a lot of problems for just about everybody, especially in the west and the MR. They can stomp Iran sure, but occupying it would be bloody difficult and cost as well as probably tying up much of the US military for years. Not to mention the probable hostile reaction in Russia and a number of Muslim states. [Some might be happy to see Iran taken down a lot, including Saudi but they may not be willing to have that as a public stance and you can expect a lot more terrorism as well].
I think and hope its just empty rhetoric from Trump as it would cause a lot of problems for just about everybody, especially in the west and the MR. They can stomp Iran sure, but occupying it would be bloody difficult and cost as well as probably tying up much of the US military for years. Not to mention the probable hostile reaction in Russia and a number of Muslim states. [Some might be happy to see Iran taken down a lot, including Saudi but they may not be willing to have that as a public stance and you can expect a lot more terrorism as well].
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6 years ago #9783708
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@stevep59 And they should have learned their lessons from Iraq. But I am starting to doubt that most American leaders are that practical and professional. War hawks have always been powerful in the US and who knows what Trump will do next? But perhaps I shouldn't be so negative.
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6 years ago #9783817
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@Rogers
That is the problem I fear. The US never really had the diplomatic experience most other nations had of having to interact with other powers as equals and consider their aims and desires. Even after 45 when they became pretty much a permanent player in world diplomacy, because it was as unquestioned world No. 1 economically and militarily and as leader of the western powers, they still have relatively little incentive to consider the needs of other powers, which I think is a factor in delaying their development as a true diplomatic power. Hence they still tend to over-estimate simplistic and often military 'solutions' to problems.
That is the problem I fear. The US never really had the diplomatic experience most other nations had of having to interact with other powers as equals and consider their aims and desires. Even after 45 when they became pretty much a permanent player in world diplomacy, because it was as unquestioned world No. 1 economically and militarily and as leader of the western powers, they still have relatively little incentive to consider the needs of other powers, which I think is a factor in delaying their development as a true diplomatic power. Hence they still tend to over-estimate simplistic and often military 'solutions' to problems.
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6 years ago #9783964
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@stevep59 We also have to remember the depressing fact fact that you can make some extreme profits from war. A war between the US and Iran would make some stocks skyrocket.
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6 years ago #9784245
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@Rogers
That and the political benefits that some get, or think they will get, plus sheer bigotry and hatred on either/both sides are always problems that make some fools think war is more attractive.
That and the political benefits that some get, or think they will get, plus sheer bigotry and hatred on either/both sides are always problems that make some fools think war is more attractive.
6 years ago #9782999
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@LuxVertas
Question, was this a reference to Saudi or a joke about 1812 - where while we captured Washington the war-mongers responsible for that conflict got away. ;)
Question, was this a reference to Saudi or a joke about 1812 - where while we captured Washington the war-mongers responsible for that conflict got away. ;)
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6 years ago #9782809
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@yoisi
It does crop up in US news from time to time. They're often quite complementary towards Prince Alwaleed for his push for reforms.
It does crop up in US news from time to time. They're often quite complementary towards Prince Alwaleed for his push for reforms.
6 years ago #9782838
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@yoisi
You are totally right.
I signed the Amnesty International campaign that supports the peaceful women rights defenders in Saudi Arabia.
If you feel they need support, do sign too and transfer the link to your friends.
https://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1770&ea.campaign.id=103929&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=FBpostSaudiWHRD
Every little bit helps.
You are totally right.
I signed the Amnesty International campaign that supports the peaceful women rights defenders in Saudi Arabia.
If you feel they need support, do sign too and transfer the link to your friends.
https://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1770&ea.campaign.id=103929&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=FBpostSaudiWHRD
Every little bit helps.
6 years ago #9782909
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I wonder what is number one cause of death for young *women* in Saudi-Arabia?
Maybe that one is different than in Europe countries also.
Maybe that one is different than in Europe countries also.
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6 years ago #9782926
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@Keremline I'm fairly sure that topic is anathema in most places, these days
6 years ago #9782972
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@Keremline my money is on being female. But Saudi Arabia is getting better. Very slowly, and it still has a long way to go, but it seems to be.
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6 years ago #9782982
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@TiberWolf It was months ago when they gave possiblity for women to drive, so yeah, very slowly.
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6 years ago #9783019
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@Mixu sure. give women the right to drive and then lock up and execute all the leading feminists that spent years fighting for those rights. very progressive saudi arabia.
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6 years ago #9783023
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@Keremline number one cause of death for women in saudi arabia? well they are barely even allowed to go out as it is so id say its domestic violence OR execution from the govt for breaking some stupid religious law again. beaten up by some gang on the street for not going out without a male guardian or not covering up enough is also a possibility
you think im talking too extreme? im not. these things legitimately happen in saudi arabia. dont forget that the version of islam that isis practices actually comes from saudi sabia
you think im talking too extreme? im not. these things legitimately happen in saudi arabia. dont forget that the version of islam that isis practices actually comes from saudi sabia
6 years ago #9783044
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@Keremline SSShhh someone might discover the hypocrisy if you go around saying such things.
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6 years ago #9785441
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Uhm, you do realize that one of the two countries in your avatar is Iran, right?
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Uhm, you do realize that one of the two countries in your avatar is Iran, right?
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6 years ago #9794072
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@EricTheRedAndWhite It's weird how Iran and Syria are fighting in that comic, yet they are close allies.
6 years ago #9783107
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@TeXaSBoI And then Åland and Finalnd stab Saudi Arabia. Everyone is a little "awww" at the moment, because they thing Finland still cares about Sweden.
It then turns out that he did it for Sister Sweden in exchange for... activities.
It then turns out that he did it for Sister Sweden in exchange for... activities.
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6 years ago #9783109
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@Deadcoder plot twist I like it
so does that mean Sweden went to war for the first time in FOREVEVER?
so does that mean Sweden went to war for the first time in FOREVEVER?
6 years ago #9782898
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But its the Religion of peace! and its a feminist religion. Google it these are things people have said.
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6 years ago #9782910
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yes!,,, soon Sweden will follow, as the leading feminist and islamist country in Europe.
yes!,,, soon Sweden will follow, as the leading feminist and islamist country in Europe.
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6 years ago #9782944
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@Keremline heard about that girl who kept a wife beater and child abuser from getting deported. I honestly feel bad for average swedes who are being made to look bad
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6 years ago #9783032
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@TeXaSBoI check this out https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/5/2-3/203/1664339 theres a type of gene that makes you more conformist and collectivist(and more suspicious of outsiders) . in east asia this gene is VERY common but in sweden its almost non existent. even more non existent than in other western countries. . .
russia actually has quite a bit of this gene , more than other western countries which explains why they are also more closed off even though they are a western country as well. (maybe the reason they have more of this gene compared to other western countries, is because they intermixed with asians more in the past)
swedes are too individualistic. which is why they dont know how to look at things from a bird's eye view to see whats going on. they see individuals instead of seeing people in groups....and that is going to be their undoing
of course you should treat people as individuals but you should also have the awareness and ability to see things in the bird's eye view and see patterns and groups in order to protect yourself and your country as well
russia actually has quite a bit of this gene , more than other western countries which explains why they are also more closed off even though they are a western country as well. (maybe the reason they have more of this gene compared to other western countries, is because they intermixed with asians more in the past)
swedes are too individualistic. which is why they dont know how to look at things from a bird's eye view to see whats going on. they see individuals instead of seeing people in groups....and that is going to be their undoing
of course you should treat people as individuals but you should also have the awareness and ability to see things in the bird's eye view and see patterns and groups in order to protect yourself and your country as well
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6 years ago #9783035
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@TeXaSBoI btw the genes for anxiety and depression are apparently more common in east asia as well. ... which f'ing sucks.... but it does explain the suicide rates. not sure what the evolutionary advantage of depression is though....
6 years ago #9783080
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@TeXaSBoI I never heard of that. But I did hear of a growing domestic violence in the Scandinavian countries for a long time, not to mention how things are in my country.
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PS: These moralistic comments are hypocritical.
But I did hear of a growing domestic violence in the Scandinavian countries for a long time, not to mention how things are in my country..
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PS: These moralistic comments are hypocritical.
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6 years ago #9783081
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@Keremline #9782910 Does not Russia count too? I mean, you have the Muslim Tartars from a very long time.
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6 years ago #9783426
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@Keremline Dont worry buddy, the Sweden Democrats are the biggest political party here now and they'll soon start the cleanup of our country 
In a few years Sweden will hopefully be back to being a good, safe country again
In a few years Sweden will hopefully be back to being a good, safe country again
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6 years ago #9783706
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@hajlakan well i guess the swedes are waking up then. thats nice. im against racism but really, self preservation comes first . you need to protect your country from dangerous ideologies
its so weird though. swedish democrats are like the opposite of american democrats....
its so weird though. swedish democrats are like the opposite of american democrats....
6 years ago #9783077
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@Blackestaddar I really don't know what that has to do with this. ? It seems like you just wanted to say it.
6 years ago #9782817
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when oil is cheaper then water it kinda makes you wanna do more things with your car since you dont need to pay so much, maybe thats just my way of thinking.
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