@Gelderland
Well, it is more likely to like something you grew up with, although not necessary. I never saw rugby until college, and I still like it. Of course, I played in a game a week after that, so that may have made a difference :P. But I still think that it's the inherent enjoyability that makes far more difference than playing or growing up with a sport, although some degree of exposure is, of course, required. I grew up with baseball, and I still find that almost as boring as soccer. And yes, I knew you weren't saying that it was impossible for blue class or middle class people to play hockey, it's just surprising that it's a stereotype, since when I think of hockey, rich people is the last thing I think of :P. The stereotype is just so different from what I think that it struck me, although I do understand that there is a certain minimum equipment/ice time financial threshold. I wanted to play in high school, but money stopped me, so I kind of get it, although it wasn't that we couldn't afford it, even though we were far from rich, it wasn't so much that my parents couldn't, they just didn't want to. But that had more to do with their reluctance to have me play sports than the money. And of course, when in high school, it doesn't take much money at all for it to be an insurmountable barrier without parental support.
Yes, I do like quite a few sports, although I only watch maybe 20-25 games per year in all sports combined, and the only one I've consistently participated in during the last 5-10 years has been broomball. Well, you don't have to go somewhere to drive a little fast, but you do risk a fine if you don't, lol. We don't have anywhere that you can legally drive fast on public roads anywhere in the US or any of the neighboring countries, at least anymore (in Montana, while it was technically illegal, for a long time the worst that would happen is a negligible fine, no matter how fast you went, but those days are long gone, they were gone before I could take advantage of them). However, I have gone a few times to a race track with my car, and since I belonged to a group that rented it out, I could drive on it as long as I paid my share. It was fun, and we got classes in how to do it safely and effectively.
No offense taken. I liked the Mighty Ducks, but it certainly was more of a fluffy, feel-good movie, it's a long, long ways from one of the great hockey movies, just a fun one. I don't think it's a bad movie. Yeah, the bad guys are pretty cardboard characters, but I don't think that's so much based on stereotypes, as just cheap plot line tricks, and emotional tugs. The US does tend to make ridiculous stereotypes of other countries, and many have been passed off as fact, to the point where everyone believes them. The MD movies aren't immune, but they are one of the least egregious examples of it, especially given as they pick on countries like Iceland, where there really isn't any stereotype existing to use, it's more just the team that is seen as bad than the country. I love Iceland, it's one of my favorite countries, so if there seemed to be a deeper message, it certainly would bother me, but it's so innocuous that it really doesn't. Of course, it helps that the movies are so ridiculous that it's impossible to take them seriously, the plot lines are absurd. But no, it's not a great movie, just a fun movie, and it's a very Hollywood movie (which is not a compliment, lol). It is kind of fun that most of the series was filmed near where I live, including some scenes in places I'm very familiar with (like one in the college I went to, on in a HS in the neighboring town that I delivered pizzas to quite often, etc). The Cutting Edge is a much better movie. Slapshot is even better, imho.
I dunno, sometimes a true story can be interesting, but more often I find it hurts, not helps, a movie. For one, if you know what's going to happen, that definitely removes much of the suspense. Apollo 13, for example, as good as Tom Hanks was, I didn't find all that enjoyable, since I knew what was going to happen, which ruined the suspense, and the plot line was one that required suspense to be enjoyable. Or, when they take liberties with history, which happens far more often than not, it can ruin the movie because those discrepancies with the real story becomes more important than the story (understandably, imho, as if you're going to tell a "true story," I think you're obligated to get it right, fiction is freeing). Not that I don't like any movies based on real events, but I am less, rather than more, likely to like them than something purely fictional.
Yeah, I get that. Technically it is deceit, but of course it's allowable in the context of the game, I am not impugning those that enjoy it, it really is a form of strategy. And playing a role inside a game can be lots of fun, even if it's not something you would ever do in real life, I don't at all equate them. It's just that the bluffing role isn't one I particularly enjoy, partially because I'm just not very good at it :P. Although it's actually more figuring out others' bluffs than making my own that I struggle with. I am not good at reading people, I'm much better at facts and figures. And while I often enjoy a challenge, that's one I just don't like, probably because I have to struggle with it so much in my real life, that doing more of it in a game just seems exhausting. I can enjoy bluffing games in small doses, but it's just not a genre that is likely to be my first choice. I usually am glad that I only have one brother, but for board games it would have been more fun to have more. He liked playing board games, too, but not nearly as much as I did, I exhausted every other family member's patience with them growing up, I would actually play Monopoly against myself for hours on end (with rules for the bank, etc., I was able to devise rules that still made it fun).
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@Gelderland
Well, it is more likely to like something you grew up with, although not necessary. I never saw rugby until college, and I still like it. Of course, I played in a game a week after that, so that may have made a difference :P. But I still think that it's the inherent enjoyability that makes far more difference than playing or growing up with a sport, although some degree of exposure is, of course, required. I grew up with baseball, and I still find that almost as boring as soccer. And yes, I knew you weren't saying that it was impossible for blue class or middle class people to play hockey, it's just surprising that it's a stereotype, since when I think of hockey, rich people is the last thing I think of :P. The stereotype is just so different from what I think that it struck me, although I do understand that there is a certain minimum equipment/ice time financial threshold. I wanted to play in high school, but money stopped me, so I kind of get it, although it wasn't that we couldn't afford it, even though we were far from rich, it wasn't so much that my parents couldn't, they just didn't want to. But that had more to do with their reluctance to have me play sports than the money. And of course, when in high school, it doesn't take much money at all for it to be an insurmountable barrier without parental support.
Yes, I do like quite a few sports, although I only watch maybe 20-25 games per year in all sports combined, and the only one I've consistently participated in during the last 5-10 years has been broomball. Well, you don't have to go somewhere to drive a little fast, but you do risk a fine if you don't, lol. We don't have anywhere that you can legally drive fast on public roads anywhere in the US or any of the neighboring countries, at least anymore (in Montana, while it was technically illegal, for a long time the worst that would happen is a negligible fine, no matter how fast you went, but those days are long gone, they were gone before I could take advantage of them). However, I have gone a few times to a race track with my car, and since I belonged to a group that rented it out, I could drive on it as long as I paid my share. It was fun, and we got classes in how to do it safely and effectively.
No offense taken. I liked the Mighty Ducks, but it certainly was more of a fluffy, feel-good movie, it's a long, long ways from one of the great hockey movies, just a fun one. I don't think it's a bad movie. Yeah, the bad guys are pretty cardboard characters, but I don't think that's so much based on stereotypes, as just cheap plot line tricks, and emotional tugs. The US does tend to make ridiculous stereotypes of other countries, and many have been passed off as fact, to the point where everyone believes them. The MD movies aren't immune, but they are one of the least egregious examples of it, especially given as they pick on countries like Iceland, where there really isn't any stereotype existing to use, it's more just the team that is seen as bad than the country. I love Iceland, it's one of my favorite countries, so if there seemed to be a deeper message, it certainly would bother me, but it's so innocuous that it really doesn't. Of course, it helps that the movies are so ridiculous that it's impossible to take them seriously, the plot lines are absurd. But no, it's not a great movie, just a fun movie, and it's a very Hollywood movie (which is not a compliment, lol). It is kind of fun that most of the series was filmed near where I live, including some scenes in places I'm very familiar with (like one in the college I went to, on in a HS in the neighboring town that I delivered pizzas to quite often, etc). The Cutting Edge is a much better movie. Slapshot is even better, imho.
I dunno, sometimes a true story can be interesting, but more often I find it hurts, not helps, a movie. For one, if you know what's going to happen, that definitely removes much of the suspense. Apollo 13, for example, as good as Tom Hanks was, I didn't find all that enjoyable, since I knew what was going to happen, which ruined the suspense, and the plot line was one that required suspense to be enjoyable. Or, when they take liberties with history, which happens far more often than not, it can ruin the movie because those discrepancies with the real story becomes more important than the story (understandably, imho, as if you're going to tell a "true story," I think you're obligated to get it right, fiction is freeing). Not that I don't like any movies based on real events, but I am less, rather than more, likely to like them than something purely fictional.
Yeah, I get that. Technically it is deceit, but of course it's allowable in the context of the game, I am not impugning those that enjoy it, it really is a form of strategy. And playing a role inside a game can be lots of fun, even if it's not something you would ever do in real life, I don't at all equate them. It's just that the bluffing role isn't one I particularly enjoy, partially because I'm just not very good at it :P. Although it's actually more figuring out others' bluffs than making my own that I struggle with. I am not good at reading people, I'm much better at facts and figures. And while I often enjoy a challenge, that's one I just don't like, probably because I have to struggle with it so much in my real life, that doing more of it in a game just seems exhausting. I can enjoy bluffing games in small doses, but it's just not a genre that is likely to be my first choice. I usually am glad that I only have one brother, but for board games it would have been more fun to have more. He liked playing board games, too, but not nearly as much as I did, I exhausted every other family member's patience with them growing up, I would actually play Monopoly against myself for hours on end (with rules for the bank, etc., I was able to devise rules that still made it fun).