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Bye Bye England and Friends
2 4, 6:18pm
I have another definition for it
"In forum parlance, it means rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason. An accusation typically reserved for when a poster is being hammered by another poster(s) and the accused leaps in to defend them, usually without thinking things through as to why the person is being attacked."
I am not pretending anything Nisse, I just think some of us have thicker skin. I am sorry that you do not.
[It's total intellectual dishonesty - you'll say or do anything without any respect at all for the intellectual honesty of the argument or for consistency in any way.]
[I don't actually think you've thought these things through at all - the only thing that's important to you is to get that "win" - even if you end up making completely incoherent arguments that leads you to very strange places - like defending the suppression of freedom of speech.]
Proof? Because if anything, I have not come out on the attack against freedom of speech. If anything, I think it is complete bollocks that you are pretending to represent freedom of speech in this argument now. Sorry mate, try again.
[Here it doesn't go that far - it just makes you look silly for pretending the things you just said means something completely different a second later.]
I am only enjoying this now. Look up the definition I provided you with. Your own argument (accusation) falls flat on its face yet again.
[But moving on from that, your main reply now is based on a play which is very common all over the internet today:
First a person makes a statement attacking someone. Then, when they themselves get's attacked for that, they suddenly pretend that they things they originally said doesn't at all mean what they actually said and plays the victim.
You're doing precisely that here.]
You mean crybullying? Nah mate. If anything, I *might* (keyword being 'might') have come of strong for shock and value. But since you want to prolong the debate, I've actually gone softer on you. These are baseless accusations that have more to do with feelings rather than actually pointing at the real words. Try again.
[Now you're pretending I'm over reacting to both things tulpoeid said and now that you yourself said earlier.
In fact I'm doing neither - instead I'm showing that the consequences of what you both say goes much further then either of you understands or cares.]
You are not.
"It's completely outrageous to me that people like you actually think you have the right to tell Humon what she should or should not draw about! "
"what right do you or anyone else have to complain about what she draws?!"
"If you don't like it you're free to leave anytime and I can promise you no one will miss you or your whining!
Go draw our own comics if you think you can do a better job of it why don't you! "
Your own words, not mine.
[You still fail to understand (or pretend to don't understand to "win" the argument in your own mind - I don't know) the difference between expressing YOUR opinion and prescribing actions for others.]
Then do explain to me how I am prescribing you Nisse.
[This is not only feedback (which is "I thought this about this") - this is pressure against Humon to suppress her own opinions to suit the taste of others and that's per definition against the idea of freedom of speech.]
No it is not, completely disagree. You are reading for too much into intentions here. This has nothing to do with "freedom of speech", "democracy" or "fascism" which you have previously brought into play here. I find the fact that you do think it has any relevancy here is insane. They are giving a negative feedback and the negative feedback is that they don't like that Humon is being political and showing her own opinion. It is a legitimate criticism, even though I like seeing Humon so political and expressing her own opinion.
Not everybody has the same taste though, you got to learn that.
[It doesn't matter one bit that tulpoeid doesn't have the power to actually stop Humon from expressing her opinion - she still thinks she has the right to ask Humon to do it - and you defend her right to do it by pretending she's not actually asking Humon to supress her opinions but mearly offers "feedback".]
I'm not pretending anything. I know that they are giving feedback. They are not suppressing anybody here. They are giving negative feedback. It actually exists, negativity. Welcome to the real world Nisse.
[As if "you shouldn't express you opinion!" is ever just "feedback" and not in it self a completely undemocratic thing to say.]
I am really sorry, but I can't take you seriously every time you bring "democracy" "fascism" or "free speech" into play here. The site is not exactly built upon democracy or democratic values. It is built on providing entertainment, fun facts and an expression of opinion of the world in the form of art/comics. Wherever you got the notion that the site had suddenly turned into the real world, I don't know.
[I'm instead defending Humons right to express any opinion she damn well pleases]
She does have the right. I agree. But I strongly criticize your method or way of doing it.
[You might not see (or doesn't care) that your argument is actually undemocratic, but it still is. Asking anyone to suppress their right to freely express their opinion is per definition just that.]
I don't think you even understand the very notion of free speech or democracy at all here, you have displayed that here.
Let's just get a little tranlsate here: Democracy; a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
Nothing that has been said or done here is in line with being democratic or undemocratic. Democracy is not relevant here.
About freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not protect you from criticism and it does not protect you if somebody asks you to "suppress your ideas" (even though that is not what tulp was doing here). Freedom of speech only protects you from the government and it protects you from anybody forcibly trying to coerce you to their wishes.
[Except of course when you like I do here tell people like you to stop trying to suppress others freedom of speech.
It's never suppressing another persons freedom to tell them to respect democratic rules. Democratic rules doesn't give you or tulpoeid the right to tell others they should give up their rights so you don't have to see their opinions expressed.]
Show me where I stated that you were suppressing freedom of speech. If there is anything I have told you now, it is that I am criticizing your method of criticizing. "Democratic rules doesn't give you or tulpoeid the right to tell others they should give up their rights so you don't have to see their opinions expressed". Actually, democratic rules would give us the right to criticize and give us the right to use our free speech to say we are dissatisfied with the direction of things, right? Because neither me nor tulp are actively suppressing anybody here nor are we forcing anybody to give up their rights. This is why you continue to constantly fall flat on your face. You read so much into intentions here and you bring up far too big words for you to be able to back up.
[Intolerance against intolerance is not a fault but a virtue.]
I would follow that saying as well, especially in this case.