[No you listed two places that have a lot more people now than before. And then that was it.]
That WAS a geometric progression. Btw, geometric progression was a 6-8th grade topic.
[ Even so where are you even getting statistics for early Estonian population? ]
Estonian Soviet Encyclopedia. And the later Estonian Encyclopedia.
1200 AD around 150 000 - 180 000 people lived in Estonia, based on the count of land units done by the crusaders. For some counties there are only estimates of land units. The further estimate is the family size living off of one land unit. The average such family size is considered to have been 7,5 persons.
By 1340 AD the population had increased to about 250 000. The medieval spread was between 70 000 to 450 000. At present there are 900 000 estonians in Estonia, the maximum was 1,0 million about 100 years back.
Urban populations cannot exist in a vacuum, it has to be backed up by the rural population and land.
[ So lol at aiming this argument at her like she just doesn't understand frail little Estonia's dilemma. ]
She doesn't. And neither do you.
Geometric progression has nothing to do with the initial state. What matters is the progression that outstrips the space of the whole universe. Isaac Asimov has a thought experiment that shows that even if human population could expand at the speed of light, a geometric growth would reach that limit in only a few thousand years. Look it up. He probably did not take into account special relativity and black hole calculations, though. But then again, no human has been known to be able to live or reproduce within a black hole.
And that is why the real population dynamics are more like golden rule based oscillations below the carrying capacity level.
And you don't need to live in a megacity to understand that.
[ This is the reason you see earth population charts that suddenly explode once you reach the industrial revolution. ]
The issue is not how or when it starts.
The issue is how to stop it in order to not overshoot the local carrying capacity.
And the excuse that a society is not rich enough to do that just does not cut it in the real world.
Stable populations have no responsibilities towards exploding populations.
[ And the idea that it was some conscious choice prepared for a post-industrialized world is insane. ]
It is sane.
Hunter-gatherers managed a stable population for thousands of years.
It is insane to keep growing like yeast without any foresight.
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[No you listed two places that have a lot more people now than before. And then that was it.]
That WAS a geometric progression. Btw, geometric progression was a 6-8th grade topic.
[ Even so where are you even getting statistics for early Estonian population? ]
Estonian Soviet Encyclopedia. And the later Estonian Encyclopedia.
1200 AD around 150 000 - 180 000 people lived in Estonia, based on the count of land units done by the crusaders. For some counties there are only estimates of land units. The further estimate is the family size living off of one land unit. The average such family size is considered to have been 7,5 persons.
By 1340 AD the population had increased to about 250 000. The medieval spread was between 70 000 to 450 000. At present there are 900 000 estonians in Estonia, the maximum was 1,0 million about 100 years back.
Urban populations cannot exist in a vacuum, it has to be backed up by the rural population and land.
[ So lol at aiming this argument at her like she just doesn't understand frail little Estonia's dilemma. ]
She doesn't. And neither do you.
Geometric progression has nothing to do with the initial state. What matters is the progression that outstrips the space of the whole universe. Isaac Asimov has a thought experiment that shows that even if human population could expand at the speed of light, a geometric growth would reach that limit in only a few thousand years. Look it up. He probably did not take into account special relativity and black hole calculations, though. But then again, no human has been known to be able to live or reproduce within a black hole.
And that is why the real population dynamics are more like golden rule based oscillations below the carrying capacity level.
And you don't need to live in a megacity to understand that.
[ This is the reason you see earth population charts that suddenly explode once you reach the industrial revolution. ]
The issue is not how or when it starts.
The issue is how to stop it in order to not overshoot the local carrying capacity.
And the excuse that a society is not rich enough to do that just does not cut it in the real world.
Stable populations have no responsibilities towards exploding populations.
[ And the idea that it was some conscious choice prepared for a post-industrialized world is insane. ]
It is sane.
Hunter-gatherers managed a stable population for thousands of years.
It is insane to keep growing like yeast without any foresight.