Scandinavia and the World
Scandinavia and the World

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Goodbye forever 24 1, 2:22am

@lesserevil

You have to be pretty far gone of the right hand side of the political spectrum if you believe anything in that quote from Obama is "propaganda". What he describes are well known facts. Millions of Americans have met and continue to meet prejudice in their daily lives only based on the colour of their skin and of course that shapes they way they look at things. Just like the proven facts that racism has been and still is a part of the American justice system.
Now YOU might not have experienced this, but it doesn't make it any less true and it certainly doesn't make it "propaganda".

Propaganda is when Trump just blatantly lied about the size of his inaugural audience and ordered his press secretary and other minions to repeat this obvious lie.
Come back when you find an example of Obama ever doing anything even remotely like that.

Regarding Clinton you wrote:

"As for Clinton it wasn't so much the lies but the truth that killed her. No one could believe what either party had to say but unfortunately, or not as the case may be, the Podesta e-mails were real. Hillary was sunk because no one was sure about Trump's news coverage but they could see Clinton's faults and trust them to be accurate."

Well the truth was she had done nothing illegal and there was nothing in the Podesta e-mails that changed that fact.
So exactly what "faults" are you saying where revealed in the Podesta e-mails if you don't (unlike most right-wingers) claim they proved her to be criminally culpable?
What "truth" killed Clinton according to you?

Because all we saw from the other side of the Atlantic was an enormous amount of allegations directed at her for various criminal acts from the republicans and not one shred of evidence for any of that.
Even though she was investigated by not only basically every law enforcement agency in America but even the republican controlled congress for months over Benghazi NO ONE ever produced ANY proof of anything - just enormous amounts of empty allegations that led no where.

I'm sure Fox News gave you the impression (hell, they probably said it out loud) that Clinton was proven guilty of any number of things - but none of that is actually true. Just like there where NOT 1-1,5 million people at Trumps inauguration whatever he or Fox News might claim - it's.... simply....not...true... OK?

So no - Clinton wasn't killed by any truths - she was killed by the false impression/outright lies spread by right-wing media (and repeated in ad nauseum by the Trumpster) that she had in fact committed criminal acts. Which of course is completely unproven.

"I consider fox news to be like CNN"

Well that's the problem - you don't recognize blatant propaganda when you see it. Of course that fucks up your view of reality pretty bad.

""Now Trump is heading for open war with the press..." You know this is just showmanship, right? I agree Trump isn't good, I'm no fan, but I don't think he's stupid. Most of this is just a show put on for us, and the media is just playing its role."

Oh, so it's fine that the president of the US just blatantly lies and tries to bullies the press into spreading lies because it suits him? That's just "showmanship" so we should just accept that?

I've seen Fox News and there is no likness with Swedish mainstream media at all I can tell you. And the same of course goes for American mainstream media as well since Fox isn't a news organisation but a propaganda platform. Your mainstream media sucks in a lot of ways too - but it's not just there to spread blatant propaganda like Fox is.

"I have noticed that you are openly hostile towards Americans. Is this a common trait in Sweden?"

I'm not hostile towards American - I'm critical of ignorance. Unfortunately there is an awful lot of ignorance in America and that's why America and Americans are generally seen as rather stupid in the rest of the world. Unless you had noticed that fact it's not just in Sweden your country has a pretty crappy reputation when it comes to intelligence.

Now I know that isn't really fair to America. There are many, many millions of Americans who total get this and sees Fox News for the propaganda it is and the republicans for the lying sacks of shit they are.
Unfortunately they are not the Americans we usually see or hear in Europe or the rest of the world. And now when you've elected the Trumpster as your figurehead your reputation will just plummet completely.

You have to understand that in Europe Obama was seen as a grown up after Bush who was seen as a stupid jock. And now you've elected an ignorant man-baby as your next president.
In Europe we don't belittle intelligence - we expect it from our politcal representatives and an ignorant serial liar like the Trumpster couldn't have been elected dogcatcher in any western European country.

I pity you because it's not your fault you where born where you were and have been spoon fed propaganda all your life but there are plenty of other Americans who have been able to break free from that background so you can too.

Stop watching Fox News and start reading the NYT or The Guardian - serious newspapers who does serious reporting. Read a little history (both American and the rest of the world) and read up on the rest of the word. Stop believing in stupid slogans that claim that America is number one and educate yourself on the facts instead.

Now you might have had the fortune to have been born the child of a billionair like Trump and then you can ignore everything I just said - then the American system is just perfect for you.

But if your not one of those lucky few you live in a country where the economical system is rigged against you and your life will be harder and probably shorter then if you had been born in Sweden for instance.

I don't think that's fair - I think every American should be provided certain basic services like health care and it amazes me and the rest of the western world that millions of Americans have been so brainwashed by right-wing propaganda that they don't demand what EVERY OTHER western country has but votes AGAINST their own interest.

Regarding that last panel in the comic it doesn't really make sense. Finland isn't part of NATO anyway so America isn't protecting them now.
More then to the point that it's not in Americas own interest if the Russians where to start gobble up European countries.
But even members of NATO are no longer protected by America if Trump doesn't feel like it - he's already made that clear.

He's apperently more interested in keeping his bromance with Putin warm and tender then abiding by the treaties America have signed.

This Trump-presidency is going to fuck up American influence in the world so bad you have no idea. But I guess they're not giving much airtime to that on Fox News - are they?