'@Niobesnuppa' "You know what, it's very obvious you've already decided that there is no value to animal life and that animal welfare doesn't matter"
No, it's just that you've decided that your valuation of those animals should be held as objective and paid for, directly or indirectly, by someone else. In fact, since you've obviously skipped Coasian option, it is easy to conclude that you just want farmers to internalize costs of your preference so it will remain free for you. Quite selfish, are you?
" so I'm not going to continue this argument"
Then you proceed to continue this argument, disregarding my points and doubling down on your own.
" If you think all animals that serve no direct (emphasis on direct here, all animals serve indirect use for humans through their role in the ecosystem) use for humans deserve to die"
Following that logic, mosquitos spreading malaria or rats should not have been harmed as well.
"I also like how you just ignored the statistics I gave you about how sheep killed by predators make up less than 10% of the total sheep deaths and that hiring shepherds "
I also like how you just ignored the fact that there might be no money there to hire those shepherds.
In business any loss in single digits of percent is a significant one and if it can be reduced relatively easily there should be a damn good case against such action to prevent it.
Also, if it's 10% now when wolves are nearly extinct, number will go up along with growth of population and you're not helping your argument.
Then again, it looks like you've never considered cost of fencing (or the fact that it may be prohibited), or cost and efficacy (Italian experience in Eurasia has to be adjusted for local difference) of guard dogs since particular breed and training are required.
"I'm really not surprised, though."
I'm really not surprised that economic argument went clear of your attention and instead you've went for an explanation that in most other settings you would claim to be bigoted.
"Your country Russia is pretty notorious for widespread animal cruelty, usually landing in the top 10 worst countries for animals"
Yeah, people were too busy with their own survival during 90s and after 2008. Matter of priorities.
"so logically the average person such as yourself probably see animals as tools and not as living creatures with feelings. "
If you want to appeal to feelings, then for farm animals nailgun to the head is a better option than being gutted and gradually eaten alive by a pack of wolves.
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'@Niobesnuppa' "You know what, it's very obvious you've already decided that there is no value to animal life and that animal welfare doesn't matter"
No, it's just that you've decided that your valuation of those animals should be held as objective and paid for, directly or indirectly, by someone else. In fact, since you've obviously skipped Coasian option, it is easy to conclude that you just want farmers to internalize costs of your preference so it will remain free for you. Quite selfish, are you?
" so I'm not going to continue this argument"
Then you proceed to continue this argument, disregarding my points and doubling down on your own.
" If you think all animals that serve no direct (emphasis on direct here, all animals serve indirect use for humans through their role in the ecosystem) use for humans deserve to die"
Following that logic, mosquitos spreading malaria or rats should not have been harmed as well.
"I also like how you just ignored the statistics I gave you about how sheep killed by predators make up less than 10% of the total sheep deaths and that hiring shepherds "
I also like how you just ignored the fact that there might be no money there to hire those shepherds.
In business any loss in single digits of percent is a significant one and if it can be reduced relatively easily there should be a damn good case against such action to prevent it.
Also, if it's 10% now when wolves are nearly extinct, number will go up along with growth of population and you're not helping your argument.
Then again, it looks like you've never considered cost of fencing (or the fact that it may be prohibited), or cost and efficacy (Italian experience in Eurasia has to be adjusted for local difference) of guard dogs since particular breed and training are required.
"I'm really not surprised, though."
I'm really not surprised that economic argument went clear of your attention and instead you've went for an explanation that in most other settings you would claim to be bigoted.
"Your country Russia is pretty notorious for widespread animal cruelty, usually landing in the top 10 worst countries for animals"
Yeah, people were too busy with their own survival during 90s and after 2008. Matter of priorities.
"so logically the average person such as yourself probably see animals as tools and not as living creatures with feelings. "
If you want to appeal to feelings, then for farm animals nailgun to the head is a better option than being gutted and gradually eaten alive by a pack of wolves.