@Baalzie Well, epistemologically the concept of "Latino" is different in the US and in Latin America. As I was criticizing, the concept of "Latino" that the Americans have to categorize the Latin american is wrong, because as I said, all the attributions that the Americans attribute to what they think are the "Latinos", which are of "certain way" "certain customs" "certain color of skin", etc., are erroneous.
You will be surprised to know that the concept "Latino" is used a lot in Latin America. It is used to emphasize a sense of identification, camaraderie, etc., and has nothing to do with the concept that the Americans have of it.
"... as in people in the US with Central / South American descent ..." How do you identify that a person is from Central America or from South America? because you will be surprised to know that there is no pattern to know it, as I said before, being Latino in Latin America is what you speak and where you live. You can only identify if a person is "a descendant of South America or Central America" as such if that person is a Native American, and that is what Americans erroneously think is a "Latino".
The people of Latin America call ourselves "Latin Americans" and in a short form: "Latinos". The word "Latino or Latina", unlike other languages, has a meaning within Romance languages.
"That's where the word comes from. If you want to put another meaning to that, you would think it would make more sense to use the familiar word "latin" then that's on you. " -As I said, the concepts of the Americans and of us with respect to "Latino" is different and has different meanings, and the American concept is, as you could see, wrong.
The concept "Latin America" was coined for the first time by the French for those parts of America under the Latin culture, and above all: under the Romance languages. "Amerique Latine" was the definition, and it included the French parts except Quebec. You will be surprised to learn that people in French Guyana consider themselves Latinos.
Latin America is a mainly a linguistic condition, and therefore, Latin Americans are such if they speak such languages and live in such places (anthropological definition).
I quote:
"The idea that a part of the Americas has a linguistic affinity with the Romance cultures as a whole can be traced back to the 1830s, in the writing of the French Saint-Simonian Michel Chevalier, who postulated that this part of the Americas was inhabited by people of a "Latin condition", and that it could, therefore, ally itself with "Latin Europe", ultimately overlapping the Latin Church, in a struggle with "Teutonic Europe", "Anglo-Saxon Europe/ America" and "Slavic Europe" .
As for Europe, that is something else. My Italian great-grandfather used to say "We are the true Latinos / Latin people" and my German grandparents refer to the Italians, French, Spaniards, etc. as "Latinos" (Lateinisch). It is true that today such concepts in Europe may no longer be used, but for a long time in the past the term "Latin Europe" was used.
Check this one last time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples
In summary:
Latin America is a linguistic condition (Romance languages) and sometimes cultural, you are Latin American if you speak such a language and have lived or been born there. It is a very real idea, both geographically, politically (Latinamericanism, Simón Bolivar), economic, but not ethnic or racial. It has something to do with "Latin Europe".
The US conjecture about "Latinos" has nothing to do with this and is usually wrong or simply out of place.
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@Baalzie Well, epistemologically the concept of "Latino" is different in the US and in Latin America. As I was criticizing, the concept of "Latino" that the Americans have to categorize the Latin american is wrong, because as I said, all the attributions that the Americans attribute to what they think are the "Latinos", which are of "certain way" "certain customs" "certain color of skin", etc., are erroneous.
You will be surprised to know that the concept "Latino" is used a lot in Latin America. It is used to emphasize a sense of identification, camaraderie, etc., and has nothing to do with the concept that the Americans have of it.
"... as in people in the US with Central / South American descent ..." How do you identify that a person is from Central America or from South America? because you will be surprised to know that there is no pattern to know it, as I said before, being Latino in Latin America is what you speak and where you live. You can only identify if a person is "a descendant of South America or Central America" as such if that person is a Native American, and that is what Americans erroneously think is a "Latino".
The people of Latin America call ourselves "Latin Americans" and in a short form: "Latinos". The word "Latino or Latina", unlike other languages, has a meaning within Romance languages.
"That's where the word comes from. If you want to put another meaning to that, you would think it would make more sense to use the familiar word "latin" then that's on you. " -As I said, the concepts of the Americans and of us with respect to "Latino" is different and has different meanings, and the American concept is, as you could see, wrong.
The concept "Latin America" was coined for the first time by the French for those parts of America under the Latin culture, and above all: under the Romance languages. "Amerique Latine" was the definition, and it included the French parts except Quebec. You will be surprised to learn that people in French Guyana consider themselves Latinos.
Latin America is a mainly a linguistic condition, and therefore, Latin Americans are such if they speak such languages and live in such places (anthropological definition).
I quote:
"The idea that a part of the Americas has a linguistic affinity with the Romance cultures as a whole can be traced back to the 1830s, in the writing of the French Saint-Simonian Michel Chevalier, who postulated that this part of the Americas was inhabited by people of a "Latin condition", and that it could, therefore, ally itself with "Latin Europe", ultimately overlapping the Latin Church, in a struggle with "Teutonic Europe", "Anglo-Saxon Europe/ America" and "Slavic Europe" .
As for Europe, that is something else. My Italian great-grandfather used to say "We are the true Latinos / Latin people" and my German grandparents refer to the Italians, French, Spaniards, etc. as "Latinos" (Lateinisch). It is true that today such concepts in Europe may no longer be used, but for a long time in the past the term "Latin Europe" was used.
Check this one last time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_peoples
In summary:
Latin America is a linguistic condition (Romance languages) and sometimes cultural, you are Latin American if you speak such a language and have lived or been born there. It is a very real idea, both geographically, politically (Latinamericanism, Simón Bolivar), economic, but not ethnic or racial. It has something to do with "Latin Europe".
The US conjecture about "Latinos" has nothing to do with this and is usually wrong or simply out of place.