Scandinavia and the World
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Lippi

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Free Greenland 30 7, 10:49am

@Nisse_Hult
First of all, I do read, but I read actual books. (psst, your wikipedia is showing). May I suggest Ancient Maya: The Rise and Fall of a Rainforest Civilization. Maybe you will learn something that is not Eurocentric.
Their most known drink was balche, a fermented mixture that contained honey and bark from a balche tree. This was one of many alcoholic delicacies. The Spanish bishop Diego de Landa, who studied the Mayas, wrote: “The Indians consumed alcohol and drugs in immense quantities, which gave rise to many evils, including murders. They made wine from honey, water and the root of a certain tree which they grew just for that purpose. The wine had a very strong flavor and a putrid odor.”
Australian anthropologists are aware that Australian and Tasmanian Aboriginals could brew a cider and ferment nectars. As for the Navajo, my bad. I knew the Mayans and Aztec had alcohol, so I took an educated guess with the Navajo.

However, you did not produce any statistic.
You write:
"While most parts of the world has known alcohol in some form, what I wrote was that "Europe has - for many centuries - produced stronger alcohol and consumed more of it than any other part of the world".

This is not a fact disputed by historians - but apparently it's unknown to you.
See for instance:
"Consumption of distilled beverages rose dramatically in Europe in and after the mid-14th century, when distilled liquors were commonly used as remedies for the Black Death. Around 1400, methods to distill spirits from wheat, barley, and rye beers, a cheaper option than grapes, were discovered.""

That is merely a fact about European beer, nothing to do with pre-colonial beer and its comparison with European beer. Nor does it describe the strength of European beer, which you claim is an undisputed fact by historians. From Wikipedia too. How disappointing.

With all your "sources" that you sent me, not one of them is university worthy material. I suggest actually going to a library, you don't even need to leave your house, you can just download books now.

As for European immune systems, the black plague, smallpox, and other viruses cannot be compared to alcoholism. Apples and oranges (again)! One is a virus or germ and another is a social, mental, and/or emotional disorder. You present a theory that alcoholism can be in your genes, but you have yet to present me with any scientific data. Not even from sketchy google websites.
You presented me with websites about European fermentation, one about the black plague, and one of the native Americans and the genetic effect of European diseases. But nothing about your so-called "theory".
I know a bull-shitter when I see one.

If your theory had any merit, the descendants of the Mayans, Aztecs, and Aboriginals would not have any alcoholic-related problems plaguing their society, because they have a pre-colonial history of alcohol. And the Native Americans and Greenlanders would have problems, due to not being connected with the substance. Yet all these societies have severe alcohol and suicide-related problems.

One thing that is repeated is European colonialism.
They all were subjected to unspeakable atrocities. Entire civilizations were destroyed both by the sword and by germs. Children were taken from families. Their languages and culture were actively erased by the government. That is just scraping the surface.

Now which sounds more plausible? Your theory, which you can't present any evidence to support. Or that the societies, more specifically the Greenlander society, who were subjected to horror upon generational horror which led them to drink. May I remind you that my theory actually can be seen in other unrelated, subjugated peoples.
I did not call you a racist. I called your argument racist. Two different things. I am sure you have good intentions, but you need to get out of your white, European bubble. Get a book on the pre-Danish Greenland society and get some empathy.
And if you have a theory, which you currently don't, get actual data. Educate yourself, Trump boy. P.S. He doesn't use facts either.





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