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The first Europeans to find America was Icelandic Vikings, and they managed to stay alive for some time before they got killed by the Indians and the winters. They called the land they found Vinland.

The original settlers on Greenland didn’t last long either.

21st October 2010
 


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21 days ago #9189454        

Should have said found north america, because the vikings were in Canada, as you mentioned. To be specific Newfoundland area, the name being a tad ironic when I think about it.... Oh btw it's mostly Irish descendants now, and they have the funniest accent, it's like drunken Irish mixed with stereotypical Canadian X) (Just search Newfie accent in youtube) ;)



1 month ago #9175858        

@olvirki

"No I don't think we have any tax records"

That part was a joke.

"As for the Dorset, I have not seen any mention of Dorset findings in the area from that time and the Norse do not mention them. Yes human remains are fragile but Greenland is cold, preserving organic tissue, and we still got inorganic artifacts, tools and the like, which are much more common to find than direct remains."

That is a point.

"In the end the burden of proof is on the other side[.]"

Oh I agree compleatly. I'm that saying that they WERE there, I'm just not sure that there WASN'T anybody there and given the potential political ramifications I tend to tread lightly.

"I am a student that will start to study biology next fall at university."

Good luck! I'm sure you'll be great!



1 month ago #9174514        

@FrankHarr

I am btw not an expert in the field or any field :). I am a student that will start to study biology next fall at university. Assuming I get accepted, but then again, Icelandic universities accept most people. Here the universeties compete over students, not the other way around.



1 month ago #9174509        

@FrankHarr

Very well then, reasonable doubt. I have not heard of any evidence suggesting that the area the Norse settled in was inhabited or any dispute about this, scientific or otherwise, although I guess the latter must have happened, and is kind of happening now :). They say there is always a dispute, but if it exists its very quiet.

No I don't think we have any tax records (maybe we do, considering the Norse Greenlanders swore fielty to the King of Norway in the 13th century and payed taxes to him, but that is a different century) or polls but we have written historical sources from the Norse and we have many archaeological sites in Greenland. Based on this historians have described the settlement history of Greenland. This Icelandic history book from the year 1991 I got f.e. states that after the Thule appeared in Greenland they split into 2 colonization waves and that the western one reached Disco bay around 1150 and stayed there for 200 years. They then reached the Western settlement in 1350 and the eastern one around 1400. The two groups then met a little to the north east of the southern most point of Greenland. So the Thule were not in southern Greenland shortly before 1000 AD.

As for the Dorset, I have not seen any mention of Dorset findings in the area from that time and the Norse do not mention them. Yes human remains are fragile but Greenland is cold, preserving organic tissue, and we still got inorganic artifacts, tools and the like, which are much more common to find than direct remains.

In the end the burden of proof is on the other side, like with the tea pot in orbit around the sun and God. Archaeology has surpriced us, like when the found remains of Neanderthals in Finland (they lived there during a glacial interval) but considering the lack of proof, I am sceptical.



1 month ago #9173517        

For those of you who say that the original setteler on greenland and Vínland was from norway you are both right and wrong, he was from norway but was consider to be from Iceland becuse he lived there for most of his life



1 month ago #9170103        

@olvirki

"But to make sure, there is no doubt the area the vikings settled in was uninhabited and they had to travel long distances to make contact with any other humans for a few hundred years."

I wonder why there is not doubt. Do they have the tax records for the far side of the island at the time?

I'm not arguing that there WERE people. I'm just surprised at your certanty. Most the signs of human habitation until the industrial age just . . . rot away. Most people who've ever lived lest no trace whatesoever.





2 months ago #9164343        

@FrankHarr

But to make sure, there is no doubt the area the vikings settled in was uninhabited and they had to travel long distances to make contact with any other humans for a few hundred years. There is no documents of contact between the Norse and the Dorset, and the Thule took hundreds of years to colonize Greenland and become neighbors to the Norse.

There is also no disputes (that I know of) that Greenland became uninhabited at one point, even though it is disputed whether all of Greenland was uninhabited when the Norse came.



2 months ago #9163763        

@olvirki

" 'I'm not sure I buy that. Not that I think it's WRONG, but I don't know.'

"Yeah, well, Greenland is cold."

So are lots of places. O.K., not LOTS, but you know what I mean.

"Then the Dorset 2 culture settled in Greenland. I have heard they died out before the vikings came and I have heard the opposite but in any case no one lived the area the Norse settled when the Norse came. Later on the Thule culture came to Greenland and outlived both the Norse Greenlanders and the Dorsets."

It sounds like the record is confused. Let's let the experts sort it out.


"But yeah, since they lived in Iceland and most of them had been born there they were of course Icelanders."

That being rather the point. After the first frew generations you stop being what you were and are what you are.



Solveig_

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2 months ago #9162069        

But original settler on Greenland was Norwegian guy, his name - Eric Raude. And he was the first Scandinavian in America too.

P.S. Iceland is so cute on this pic. <3



2 months ago #9160835        

Someone call life alert I can't breath.



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