I’ve drawn Denmark as younger than Sweden and Norway a few times, but that had to do with the age of the landmass. This shows how old the Nordics are as countries.
Denmark’s birth is from when it became a united country instead of tribes fighting each other, Sweden is from King Gustav Vasa's crowning and Norway, Finland and Iceland are from when they became fully independent from all other countries.
Norway is a bit tricky though, because he could also be said to be around the same age as Denmark. But this is how it's usually done.
Even though I typically adore and love SATW in every way, and check back almost every other day for new comics, this one has always bothered me. It doesn't really offend me as a Norwegian, because I do not believe the age of my country has anything to do with me as a person or with the nation and the people as it is today. However, I can't agree to this one. It would simply be wrong to state Denmark's birth to when it became a unified country, but only count the other countries from when they became fully independent last. Norway did not seize to become a country just because it was under Danish rule, and specially while under Sweden, Sweden had close to no control at all over Norway. That is why 1. Norway counts its independence day as July 17th, 1814 and 2. Norway should have been counted as born when Harald Hairfair first united the country. The same goes for Iceland and Sweden.
While I understand that Humon was probably taught in school that Denmark became a country in the 11th century, and that it is so deeply integrated in her that she didn't even question it, but the same goes for at least Norwegians. We are also taught that our country became a country when Harald Hairfair united us. It is not fair to count from different criteria depending on which country it is.
Other than that, again, I take no offence to the comic, and I am in no way upset with Humon. Just keep drawing, because I cannot express how much I love SATW
@Ylva I totally agree with all you say, exept one small detail. 17th of may 1814 is actually our constitutional day, not our independence day, which was in 1905(I don't even remember which day). But as far as I know, we were pretty self ruled under Sweden, even though we had common foreign policy.
Norway was formed as a country in 872. It is way older than Denmark and had an empire across the North Atlantic (Norway, Orkneys, Shetland, Hebrides, Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland). 1905 was just a disolvement of a union.
@Lilyloverprettygirl9 I think this isn't Norway or Scania, but Sweden with Norway's T-Shirt. There was this comic where they changed their clothing and the drunk Denmark thought Sweden was Norway and Norway was Sweden.
Or I will just say: The name of the comic is: "Good Service"
As a Norwegian, this greatly bothers me, as we had a king back before the 900s
And also had a massive empire around the year 1240
But even barring that, we had our own constitution (second oldest, only younger than Poland's) back in 1814.
'@Foxymew'
This is just based on independence dates, so what's being dated is the modern governments. Not the cultures and/or older independent forms of government.
This is simply incorrect. The Kalmar Uniuon wasn't denmark, it was the kalmar union, a union of crowns (kind of like the united kingdoms). So either Denmark and Sweden came into being at the same time as the Kalmar union ceased to exist, or both kingdoms existed as part of the union.
actually, that is quite inaccurate, considering how the Kalmar Union was formed in 1389 and consisted of Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Which, in turn, would mean that all these were born before this union. I suppose you might be refeering to at what point the country in question became indepandant, but if that were the case, i have no choice but to say that the wording chosen was rather poor. And on that note, exactly what time do you consider a country to be "born"? When they choose a name? When they design a flag? Depending on what you think, Sweden could be said to have been born in 12 000 BC, when the first settelers came to sweden. Or at about 1000, when the name "Sweden" (Swēorice) was first written and kept. And in terms of dependancy, well... Sweden has never really been occupied.
@Anananas Well, the Kalmar Union was only a personal union, we shared the king but we were independent countries in all other ways. The ruling elites of the country weren't changed either, the various Kalmar unions ended beacuse the countries nobilities simply choose another guy as king after the union one died.
@Anananas Agreed, even though a kingdom in the late middle age is somewhat different of what we would call a country or a nation today, I think it's safe to say that the births of both sweden and norway predates the Kalmar Union (and are probably as old as the birth of Danemark).
Denmark is looking at porn, Sweden is texting his beloved, Norway is making out with his fish, Finland is ordering a book called " A hundred ways to murder " and baby ice is... wait, where's the baby!?! Denmark: I left him by the volcano... ME: NOOO YOU IDIOT, HES A BABY!!
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While I understand that Humon was probably taught in school that Denmark became a country in the 11th century, and that it is so deeply integrated in her that she didn't even question it, but the same goes for at least Norwegians. We are also taught that our country became a country when Harald Hairfair united us. It is not fair to count from different criteria depending on which country it is.
Other than that, again, I take no offence to the comic, and I am in no way upset with Humon. Just keep drawing, because I cannot express how much I love SATW