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The End of America
Inspired by some of the responses I got to this journal [link]
I couldn’t help but smile while reading them.
22nd March 2010
584 Comments:
1 month ago #8786709
@Liung
By the same token, what you call 'freedom' isn't by our standards. So I would really appreciate it if you reworded it.
And for the example you gave, without insurance you would have gotten everything you need to survive and not be left a cripple. Everything else is just a luxury. Any additional luxury, would have come out of your pocket through a [federally mandated] no-interest payment plan.
As for the ambulance thing, in some states, and increasingly so, Ambulance Medical Technicians are told not to bring the uninsured to the hospital if the emergency isn't life threatening and they are given an exhaustive list of 'when its not an emergency'. And you can in a hospital as long as you aren't stable. Any longer then that isn't needed anyway.
You aren't demanding medical care, you are demanding comforts and luxuries.
@Oskoreii
Healthcare in America is very expensive. I mean the actual act of giving healthcare is expensive in America. You want it so everybody gets high quality non-emergency healthcare equal to other countries. Even if every single person in the U.S. was part of this, subtracting from it anybody rich enough to afford even better healthcare. You are still looking at a cost per person 3-4 times higher then any other country.
And do you know how other countries healthcare systems work? What they do is they decide how much the healthcare of that year 'should' cost and allocate a certain amount of money. If it appears that cap is about to be reached, they start systemically 'temporarily' denying non-essential services.
And when you are looking at a cost per capita upwards to 4 times higher in other countries in America. It becomes clear such a system is just a fantasy in America. Virtually all of this higher cost comes from how much higher the per capita maintenance and medication costs are in America due to how much more spread out Americans are then in other countries. Even Canada has crowded itself onto its southern border. But America is spread out. That means more machines are needed per person then other countries and a much higher of medication goes to waste as it has be ready for use if needed, but its far less likely to be needed. And far more of it needs to be stored close to the people.
@Liung
By the same token, what you call 'freedom' isn't by our standards. So I would really appreciate it if you reworded it.
And for the example you gave, without insurance you would have gotten everything you need to survive and not be left a cripple. Everything else is just a luxury. Any additional luxury, would have come out of your pocket through a [federally mandated] no-interest payment plan.
As for the ambulance thing, in some states, and increasingly so, Ambulance Medical Technicians are told not to bring the uninsured to the hospital if the emergency isn't life threatening and they are given an exhaustive list of 'when its not an emergency'. And you can in a hospital as long as you aren't stable. Any longer then that isn't needed anyway.
You aren't demanding medical care, you are demanding comforts and luxuries.
@Oskoreii
Healthcare in America is very expensive. I mean the actual act of giving healthcare is expensive in America. You want it so everybody gets high quality non-emergency healthcare equal to other countries. Even if every single person in the U.S. was part of this, subtracting from it anybody rich enough to afford even better healthcare. You are still looking at a cost per person 3-4 times higher then any other country.
And do you know how other countries healthcare systems work? What they do is they decide how much the healthcare of that year 'should' cost and allocate a certain amount of money. If it appears that cap is about to be reached, they start systemically 'temporarily' denying non-essential services.
And when you are looking at a cost per capita upwards to 4 times higher in other countries in America. It becomes clear such a system is just a fantasy in America. Virtually all of this higher cost comes from how much higher the per capita maintenance and medication costs are in America due to how much more spread out Americans are then in other countries. Even Canada has crowded itself onto its southern border. But America is spread out. That means more machines are needed per person then other countries and a much higher of medication goes to waste as it has be ready for use if needed, but its far less likely to be needed. And far more of it needs to be stored close to the people.
1 month ago #8785635
@Liung Word @Humility It's not about spoiled dicks but giving different people similar opportunities. Besides, the system can be made significantly more effective when more people use it, which is an effect of it being available to everybody.
@Liung Word @Humility It's not about spoiled dicks but giving different people similar opportunities. Besides, the system can be made significantly more effective when more people use it, which is an effect of it being available to everybody.
1 month ago #8779817
@Liung I, personally, want a system similar to Canada's, which is why I support The United States National Health Care Act (H.R. 676), which would establish such a single-payer system.
@Liung I, personally, want a system similar to Canada's, which is why I support The United States National Health Care Act (H.R. 676), which would establish such a single-payer system.
1 month ago #8774416
I'm inclined to think the people saying America has a healthcare system are misunderstanding what democratic-socialist countries think a healthcare system is, because what America has isn't it by our standards.
Maybe they do have something they consider a healthcare system. But in Canada, I was in an accident that almost crushed my throat. Being rushed to the ER, being there for 4 hours being stabilized, getting an oxygen mask so I could keep breathing, seeing a throat specialist immediately the next day (and getting a tube with a light on the end shoved up my nose all the way to the back of my throat so he could see the damage properly... a truly unpleasant experience)... I never paid a cent, unless you count the taxes everyone pays for the privilege of not worrying about money during a medical emergency.
In Britain, if you need transportation to or from the hospital they'll also give you money for that. Taxi or bus fare or whatever.
Meanwhile, I've been told that in some states, if a person doesn't have insurance then ambulance crews are only allowed to perform emergency first aid on them. And good luck staying in a hospital if you don't have money.
I'm inclined to think the people saying America has a healthcare system are misunderstanding what democratic-socialist countries think a healthcare system is, because what America has isn't it by our standards.
Maybe they do have something they consider a healthcare system. But in Canada, I was in an accident that almost crushed my throat. Being rushed to the ER, being there for 4 hours being stabilized, getting an oxygen mask so I could keep breathing, seeing a throat specialist immediately the next day (and getting a tube with a light on the end shoved up my nose all the way to the back of my throat so he could see the damage properly... a truly unpleasant experience)... I never paid a cent, unless you count the taxes everyone pays for the privilege of not worrying about money during a medical emergency.
In Britain, if you need transportation to or from the hospital they'll also give you money for that. Taxi or bus fare or whatever.
Meanwhile, I've been told that in some states, if a person doesn't have insurance then ambulance crews are only allowed to perform emergency first aid on them. And good luck staying in a hospital if you don't have money.
2 months ago #8769631
@Frostchild Indeed, I would start worrying the moment our government started doing helpful things for the majority of it's citizens and NOT acting like it was horribly drunk at the time.
@Frostchild Indeed, I would start worrying the moment our government started doing helpful things for the majority of it's citizens and NOT acting like it was horribly drunk at the time.
2 months ago #8762896
HA! Oh America!
I love my country (REALLY, I DO!) but GOD we are just NEVER happy about anything politically!
HA! Oh America!
I love my country (REALLY, I DO!) but GOD we are just NEVER happy about anything politically!
2 months ago #8754926
This comic is made ABOUT stereotypes dumbass.
Get the fuck over it.
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That one USAmerican who doesn't really give two shakes of a fuck...
dumbass.
This comic is made ABOUT stereotypes dumbass.
Get the fuck over it.
From
That one USAmerican who doesn't really give two shakes of a fuck...
dumbass.
2 months ago #8753464
These comics are just made to make Americans look bad. Universal healthcare has been around in the US for a long time and now more and more younger people are becoming curious about socialist-democracies and are broadening their horizons. But no, same-old "the USA is full of fat, lazy, religious, stupid people who hate everyone who isn't them." I'm getting rather sick of these stereotypes.
These comics are just made to make Americans look bad. Universal healthcare has been around in the US for a long time and now more and more younger people are becoming curious about socialist-democracies and are broadening their horizons. But no, same-old "the USA is full of fat, lazy, religious, stupid people who hate everyone who isn't them." I'm getting rather sick of these stereotypes.
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Non-Americans don't realize that decisions making is a pretty complicated process due to the U.S.' sheer size and diversity. Tackling complicated topics such as health care, the demilitarization, and poverty end in stalemates.
It really infuriates the majority of us, especially given the levels of corruption in our health care system.