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The Napoleon War
Never mess with a neat-freak!
This is the main reason why Norway and Denmark still feel a bit funny about Sweden even today. HISTORY TIME!
The Napoleon war was basically with France one on side and England on the other, with each of them having a number of countries supporting them. At the beginning most countries supported France, and Sweden was one of the few who supported England from the very beginning.
As the war went on, more and more countries left France and went over to England, with Denmark as one of the very few who stayed with France to the bitter end.
When England won, Denmark was of course seen as one of the big loosers who deserved to be punished for staying on the "evil" side, so it was seen as only fair that Sweden got Norway. The Danes were ready to just give in and get it over with, but the Dane who had been put in charge of Norway suggested that they allowed Norway to break loose from Denmark instead. That way Sweden couldn’t touch them.
Denmark agreed to do this, and Norway finally got it’s own constitution. But that didn’t stop Sweden. When they were told Denmark could no longer hand Norway over, Sweden simply invaded Norway and took it by force. That was the last war between the Scandinavian countries.
You gotta' love how Sweden went from being one of the "good guys" to being a jerk. History is fun like that.
21st October 2009
273 Comments:
29 days ago #8803616
Indeed, history is odd. I've often wondered what would have happened if Gustavus Adolphus hadn't died in that reckless cavalry charge. He probably would have gone after Poland. Crazy Vasa, Poland was nuts at that time.
Indeed, history is odd. I've often wondered what would have happened if Gustavus Adolphus hadn't died in that reckless cavalry charge. He probably would have gone after Poland. Crazy Vasa, Poland was nuts at that time.
4 months ago #8657593
@taaviwr
Thats not true. The Swedish king Gustav IV Adolf despised the French revolution and Napoleon, so Sweden joined the Coalition initially. But Sweden lost the first war against France and was also invaded by Russia, resulting in the loss of Finland. So Sweden was forced to join the continental system and declare war on Great Britain. But Sweden and the British were still trading secretly even though they were at war on paper, (they never fought each other).
Bernadotte was very friendly towards the Swedish prisoners of war after Sweden lost to the French in Swedish Pomerania. They remembered that when they later asked if he wanted to be king of Sweden (Gustav IV Adolf was dethroned when we lost Finland).
@taaviwr
Thats not true. The Swedish king Gustav IV Adolf despised the French revolution and Napoleon, so Sweden joined the Coalition initially. But Sweden lost the first war against France and was also invaded by Russia, resulting in the loss of Finland. So Sweden was forced to join the continental system and declare war on Great Britain. But Sweden and the British were still trading secretly even though they were at war on paper, (they never fought each other).
Bernadotte was very friendly towards the Swedish prisoners of war after Sweden lost to the French in Swedish Pomerania. They remembered that when they later asked if he wanted to be king of Sweden (Gustav IV Adolf was dethroned when we lost Finland).
5 months ago #8653274
@Herodotus
Not necessarily. Sweden had good quality iron ore from Kiruna, but swedish iron became much less vital for Germany when they took France in 1940, which has good resources of iron ore. Besides, when the war turned and Germany needed it the most, Sweden stopped their iron shipment to Germany.
The invasion of Norway was a huge gamble for Germany, few resources and manpower were used because of the demands for the higher prioritized invasion of France a couple of months later.
And by taking France, Occupied Norways advantages became smaller. Taking Norway was to ensure the iron ore shipments and provide a good location to send Uboats against the Atlantic convoys, both of which France provided.
The right to passage helped the Germans, mostly in Finland against the Soviets.
But i doubt that it effected Germanys course or length war in any significant way. The passage too, stopped once the war turned, from 1943 and onwards, when the free passage would possibly have been crucial for the Germans in Finland (Lapland War).
@Herodotus
Not necessarily. Sweden had good quality iron ore from Kiruna, but swedish iron became much less vital for Germany when they took France in 1940, which has good resources of iron ore. Besides, when the war turned and Germany needed it the most, Sweden stopped their iron shipment to Germany.
The invasion of Norway was a huge gamble for Germany, few resources and manpower were used because of the demands for the higher prioritized invasion of France a couple of months later.
And by taking France, Occupied Norways advantages became smaller. Taking Norway was to ensure the iron ore shipments and provide a good location to send Uboats against the Atlantic convoys, both of which France provided.
The right to passage helped the Germans, mostly in Finland against the Soviets.
But i doubt that it effected Germanys course or length war in any significant way. The passage too, stopped once the war turned, from 1943 and onwards, when the free passage would possibly have been crucial for the Germans in Finland (Lapland War).
5 months ago #8652962
Important to remember that England was the main cause Denmark supported Napoleon till the end. England destroyed Copenhagen in 1807, bacause of fear for the danish fleet.
Important to remember that England was the main cause Denmark supported Napoleon till the end. England destroyed Copenhagen in 1807, bacause of fear for the danish fleet.
5 months ago #8630290
"Denmark was of course seen as one of the big loosers who deserved to be punished for staying on the "evil" side,"
Sounds like Germany...
"Sweden went from being one of the "good guys" to being a jerk. History is fun like that."
Yep. History can be interpreted in different ways, and more often than not, the official story is intentionally misleading, or just downright institutional propaganda.
"Denmark was of course seen as one of the big loosers who deserved to be punished for staying on the "evil" side,"
Sounds like Germany...
"Sweden went from being one of the "good guys" to being a jerk. History is fun like that."
Yep. History can be interpreted in different ways, and more often than not, the official story is intentionally misleading, or just downright institutional propaganda.
6 months ago #8596553
Faithful Denmark, stayed with us to the very end ! I'm touched ;_;
Faithful Denmark, stayed with us to the very end ! I'm touched ;_;
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Well Denmark was natural in the start, but then England was afraid of France would get the danish fleet which was the second biggest in the world, and wanted it. But when Denmark wouldn't give them it, England surrounded Copenhagen and bombarded the town without pay regard to the civil in the town...And then they took our fleet and that kind of pissed the Danes of