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Black Pete

Black Pete

In the Netherlands Saint Nicholas is a separate person from Santa, and like Santa has his elves, Saint Nicholas has his Zwarte Piet (Black Pete).

Dutch people will usually claim he is just covered in sod from the chimneys, but his clean clothes makes it pretty obvious Black Pete is inspired by a caricature of black people, but it should be noted that Black Pete is not supposed to be an African. It's more like a sort of magical being that has it's looks inspired by the caricature.

6th December 2012

Tagged in South Africa Neatherlands Netherlands

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10 hours ago #9361465        

How did you manage to screw up the tags THAT much?

1 month ago #9352094        

@Ixion (idk how to respont so hope this works xD)
How can you say it is racist?
We are not sayin every black person dresses up like that, we say all black piets do,
It is a tradition, we are not teaching the children too tell them off or to despise them,
When i was a kid, i liked the black piets more then sinterklaas,
For someone who didnt even experience it, you have a big opinion
Saying this is racist is an easy judgement and from my point of vieuw not true.
I grew up with this, and am never was or will be a racist.

2 months ago #9343646        

Actually I was thinking that at first, hmmmn. That seems mighty racist, and/or offensive Nethers. Then I was like , wow. How much did you smoke?


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2 months ago #9336185        

When I was a child who still believed in Sinterklaas and black Pete, I never thought that black Pete was "the dumb person" or anything. And I'd think that if black Pete becomes forbidden and suddenly gets replaced by color Petes or something like that, children would only start to think black people are bad because they're not allowed anymore.


3 months ago #9329469        


3 months ago #9329361        

South Africa must fe cheated

3 months ago #9323711        

Blinded by political correctness? You ought to come over to America. The Libertarians would love you. In any case, I thought I made a reasonable statement. You can take it or leave it, I don't care either way.

3 months ago #9323631        

I'm sorry, but as a Dutch person I'm sick of all this debate and misunderstanding. This is the deal:

Originally, the people who lived here in pre-Roman times had a festival to celebrate the end of winter and the coming of spring. They would make offerings to the god Wodan (or Odin), and Wodan's son would look down their chimneys to check if they had made their offerings properly.

When Christianity came, local traditions were often included in the new dogma to make conversion easier. So, Wodan was changed into St. Nicholas, and his son was changed into a black servant with a nice suit. Hence, Zwarte Piet.

3 months ago #9323592        

@Ixion I have looked at your comment history, and it seems to me you are the type of person who thinks you are the only person on the internet who can think. You see it as your personal mission to let everyone know how wrong and ignorant they are and how right and informed you are. There are many places for people like you, this is not one of them. This is a place where people's nationality is their identity and where everything is about stereotyping and poking fun at cultures. And where people who aren't blinded by political correctness are willing to let a very-old-but-to-modern-eyes-very-offensive caricature slide.

3 months ago #9323491        

I think it goes without saying. If you don't know what's wrong with blackface, then I don't think there's anything I can say to change your mind, especially over the internet. Like I said, the Dutch are the ones who get to decide what happens with their culture. That's not up to me. But whenever I hear about this story there's always someone who tries to rationalize the racism somehow, saying that it's coal or dust from the chimney. It's racist, that's pretty much the end of it. From there it's up to your own moral judgement.

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