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Sister Sweden and Finland
Scandinavian Poster
A large poster, showing the Scandinavian boys, on thick Gloss Art 170gsm paper.
How old?
I’ve drawn Denmark as younger than Sweden and Norway a few times, but that had to do with the age of the landmass. This shows how old the Nordics are as countries.
Denmark’s birth is from when it became a united country instead of tribes fighting each other, Sweden is from King Gustav Vasa's crowning and Norway, Finland and Iceland are from when they became fully independent from all other countries.
Norway is a bit tricky though, because he could also be said to be around the same age as Denmark. But this is how it's usually done.
22nd October 2010
7:02pm Sun 6th May #8326511
I did the math on a calculator to figure out the scale, so I can tell the age of each character. Using Iceland as the basis of the scale, and if Iceland were 6 months old, Finland would be just under 3 (not much of a tough guy now, Finland, huh?), Norway would be about 3 1/2, Sweden would be almost exactly 17, and finally Denmark would be about 35, at most, and about 32 at least. CUTE LITTLE FINLAND!
I did the math on a calculator to figure out the scale, so I can tell the age of each character. Using Iceland as the basis of the scale, and if Iceland were 6 months old, Finland would be just under 3 (not much of a tough guy now, Finland, huh?), Norway would be about 3 1/2, Sweden would be almost exactly 17, and finally Denmark would be about 35, at most, and about 32 at least. CUTE LITTLE FINLAND!
2:19pm Fri 4th May #8323033
Well the problem with sying that this are the dates that the countrys became independent is that Norway, Sweden and Denmark all entered an ecual union in the 14 hundreds, (the Scandinavien union, that is why they are the Scandinavian contrys) Sweden left the union early, and then Norway was stuck with Denmark (but Norway was tecnacly not under Denmark, )and Denmark was in this union until 1814. So if you are doing this after date of independents Denmark became a contry in 1814!
And also you will never get a Norwegian to exsept that norway was not a contry before 1905. That is a whery hurtfull coment for norwegians.
Oh and also if unions make contryes not be contryes, than European Geografi just became a lot easyer!!!! (EU)
Well the problem with sying that this are the dates that the countrys became independent is that Norway, Sweden and Denmark all entered an ecual union in the 14 hundreds, (the Scandinavien union, that is why they are the Scandinavian contrys) Sweden left the union early, and then Norway was stuck with Denmark (but Norway was tecnacly not under Denmark, )and Denmark was in this union until 1814. So if you are doing this after date of independents Denmark became a contry in 1814!
And also you will never get a Norwegian to exsept that norway was not a contry before 1905. That is a whery hurtfull coment for norwegians.
Oh and also if unions make contryes not be contryes, than European Geografi just became a lot easyer!!!! (EU)
12:25pm Thu 3rd May #8321478
@Crez it is all about how you count it. the ``nyköpings gästabud/håtunaleken´´ were in the 12th century and then our king was involved. (if you don´t know what is, it is a story about three brothers figthing for the power and one is thrown in (``jail´´) and the brother throws the key in a river...) it is usually counted that way (as it is in the comic) but it should be counted from when ``götaland´´ and ``svealand´´ became united.
@Crez it is all about how you count it. the ``nyköpings gästabud/håtunaleken´´ were in the 12th century and then our king was involved. (if you don´t know what is, it is a story about three brothers figthing for the power and one is thrown in (``jail´´) and the brother throws the key in a river...) it is usually counted that way (as it is in the comic) but it should be counted from when ``götaland´´ and ``svealand´´ became united.
6:23am Thu 3rd May #8321023
WHAT!?! We are only from the 15 hundreds??? But what about Our king magnus Ladulås from 11th century??? WE were not a country then??? I'm so confused! why don't i know how old my own country is???
WHAT!?! We are only from the 15 hundreds??? But what about Our king magnus Ladulås from 11th century??? WE were not a country then??? I'm so confused! why don't i know how old my own country is???
8:28am Sat 28th Apr #8313086
@Mjolnir
Ofcource it's accurate. There's a huge difference between the last time independence was gained and being united under a flag.
These are completely seperate arguments, so I don't even know why you brought it up in this discussion. However, this does not make Norway barely over a hundred years old by any means and I'm not questioning your argument. The logic in this comic (or rather the title) is to be blamed as this list doesn't thoroughly show how old the nations are, only when the countries last gained independence.
@Mjolnir
Ofcource it's accurate. There's a huge difference between the last time independence was gained and being united under a flag.
These are completely seperate arguments, so I don't even know why you brought it up in this discussion. However, this does not make Norway barely over a hundred years old by any means and I'm not questioning your argument. The logic in this comic (or rather the title) is to be blamed as this list doesn't thoroughly show how old the nations are, only when the countries last gained independence.
12:54pm Fri 27th Apr #8311948
@Knoodle while it woud seem that the age of the countrys are based on when they became independent, Humon says that the age of denmark is based upon when it whas united.
When Denmark became independent can be slightly questioned becous of the norway-danish union around 1376 were the King of norway whas also acepted as the king of denmark by the danish nobels.
But, this can be highly debated tough.
So I guesh that Humons picture is rather accurate by definition of the last time they gained independens :|
@Knoodle while it woud seem that the age of the countrys are based on when they became independent, Humon says that the age of denmark is based upon when it whas united.
When Denmark became independent can be slightly questioned becous of the norway-danish union around 1376 were the King of norway whas also acepted as the king of denmark by the danish nobels.
But, this can be highly debated tough.
So I guesh that Humons picture is rather accurate by definition of the last time they gained independens :|
10:34am Thu 26th Apr #8310534
@Mjolnir
Since then, Norway has been part of both Denmark and Sweden. Humon didn't make this list after when the country was founded, but after the last time the country became independent.
In 1814 Norway lost its independence after Sweden defeated Norway during The Swedish-Norwegian War, in which Sweden forced Norway into a union with Sweden (Humon has even made a comic about this war).
In 1905 Sweden gave back Norway's independence after being in a union with Sweden since 1814.
Between 1814-1905 Norway was infact a part of Sweden so, in Norway's case, this list is pretty accurate.
@Mjolnir
Since then, Norway has been part of both Denmark and Sweden. Humon didn't make this list after when the country was founded, but after the last time the country became independent.
In 1814 Norway lost its independence after Sweden defeated Norway during The Swedish-Norwegian War, in which Sweden forced Norway into a union with Sweden (Humon has even made a comic about this war).
In 1905 Sweden gave back Norway's independence after being in a union with Sweden since 1814.
Between 1814-1905 Norway was infact a part of Sweden so, in Norway's case, this list is pretty accurate.
4:02pm Sat 21st Apr #8303445
woud joust like to add that a kingdom of norway colected under one king hapened as early as 880-900 AD under Harald hårfagre, so norway coud also be drawn as the oldest country.
woud joust like to add that a kingdom of norway colected under one king hapened as early as 880-900 AD under Harald hårfagre, so norway coud also be drawn as the oldest country.
11:15am Fri 13th Apr #8291047
I have to agree with Knoodle, Olof Skötkonung was the first king of a united Swedish nation.
I have to agree with Knoodle, Olof Skötkonung was the first king of a united Swedish nation.
8:00am Wed 11th Apr #8287686
@danielmikaelson: Weeell, sorta... The current consensus among Norwegian historians is rather that Norway wasn't truly united until the reign of Harald Hardråde in the mid-11th century. Southeastern Norway (the area around the Oslo fjord, including the city of Oslo itself) seems to have been part of the Danish "sphere of influence" until that time. I still agree that Norway should be given a much earlier birth date than the cartoon suggests, though
@danielmikaelson: Weeell, sorta... The current consensus among Norwegian historians is rather that Norway wasn't truly united until the reign of Harald Hardråde in the mid-11th century. Southeastern Norway (the area around the Oslo fjord, including the city of Oslo itself) seems to have been part of the Danish "sphere of influence" until that time. I still agree that Norway should be given a much earlier birth date than the cartoon suggests, though
5:57am Mon 9th Apr #8284742
Nice, except for Norway being younger than Sweden (yes, I read the description).
Nice, except for Norway being younger than Sweden (yes, I read the description).
4:37am Mon 9th Apr #8284673
@HeneKone
We'd rather see you read the description before sharing unessential information. All of Scandinavia has been populated for thousands of years, but that was never part of the discussion. You're just babbling at random not knowing what we're talking about.
@HeneKone
We'd rather see you read the description before sharing unessential information. All of Scandinavia has been populated for thousands of years, but that was never part of the discussion. You're just babbling at random not knowing what we're talking about.
12:23pm Sat 7th Apr #8282447
Actually, Finland has been populated for +9000 years.
Check your information before telling everybody...
Actually, Finland has been populated for +9000 years.
Check your information before telling everybody...
1:07pm Fri 6th Apr #8281221
@AmericanGirl: this is what I like about SatW too!
Not only geography though, all kinds of things.
@AmericanGirl: this is what I like about SatW too!
Not only geography though, all kinds of things.
7:16pm Wed 4th Apr #8278825
Your descriptions are like mini geography lessons. I applaud you.
Your descriptions are like mini geography lessons. I applaud you.
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Alright, let's get this staright! There are two possible scenarios the artist could have based this on:
Scenario 1: Unions permanently kill countries
Norway and Sweden were in the Kalmar Union, yes, but there was no real owner of the union. It was a more like a mutual nation, but with a stronger and therefore more dominant part. But if this scenario was what she were using, then this would be the correst way of doing it:
Denmark: Dead
Sweden: Dead
Finland: Dead
Iceland: Dead
Norway: 1905
Scenario 2: Unions temporarly kill countries
It's self explainatory! Norway is tricky tho. It was once unified as Hålogland, but then dissolved again due to relgious rebellions in the conquered king- and jarldoms. Norway was again unified at 1020, under christian rule.
This is what it would've looked like:
Denmark: 8th century
Sweden: Unkown(5th-11th century)
Finland: 1917
Iceland: 1944
Norway: 872 or 1020