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I wasn’t going to do a comic about the chaos Rasmus started in Sweden because I thought it would be too local but then foreign media started reporting on it. After being banned from Sweden he went though the trouble of getting a Swedish passport just so he could go there and spread his shit, it blew up and he got what he wanted.
Denmark Sweden
22nd April 2022
3 years ago #9872521
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The fact that him burning a book (which is, as far as I'm concerned, free speech as long as you own the book) has sparked violent riots that were completely out of proportion means that HE HAD A POINT. He was trying to expose a problem in society, which is what he did, and instead of people recognizing that problem, they bought the media narrative and blamed him for it. You don't have to like his point, but you have to agree that he was right about it.
Maybe this comic should have been about how it can be that in a mostly atheistic society the inquisition is still alive and well, and how people find rioting and burning perfectly acceptable.
Maybe this comic should have been about how it can be that in a mostly atheistic society the inquisition is still alive and well, and how people find rioting and burning perfectly acceptable.
3 years ago #9872540
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Who?
*checks the googles* Hmm...Punchable face, burned a quran for attention, criminal stalking...oh. That ugly smirk on his face is a pedosmile, gross.
*checks the googles* Hmm...Punchable face, burned a quran for attention, criminal stalking...oh. That ugly smirk on his face is a pedosmile, gross.
3 years ago #9872697
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Chaos *he* started? Fuck that nonsense; if exercising your freedom of expression causes a group of people to destroy others' property and attack police officers then that is entirely the fault of that group. Any local Muslim could easily make the choice *not* to go out and cause destruction in response, and were I a gambling man I'd bet that most of them actually *did* make that choice. The *only* way to put the blame on Paludan is by assuming Muslims somehow lack free will and agency, which in addition to being just plain ridiculous is also Islamophobic as hell.
3 years ago #9872523
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Having seen the videos of the riots one thing stands out.
This isnt a muslim thing as much as it is young people in poor parts of the towns, often linked to gang crime that is spreading a bit of chaos.
Had this been muslims that were upset, we'd have seen people over 30, even older people out there. And muslim clerics would be speaking out angrily about it.
But that didn't happen.
This isnt a muslim thing as much as it is young people in poor parts of the towns, often linked to gang crime that is spreading a bit of chaos.
Had this been muslims that were upset, we'd have seen people over 30, even older people out there. And muslim clerics would be speaking out angrily about it.
But that didn't happen.
3 years ago #9872478
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I'm ethnically Jewish, Lithuanian primarily, though religiously it's... weird. But try to understand things from our perspective. Yes, it's a long piece, but, well, history is longer than most Americans realize.
We never really viewed ourselves as being native to the lands we lived, for about 3000 years much of our identity has been that we were, in fact, Resident Aliens; many people date the Diaspora (our word, incidentally) to around 2000 years ago, but the Babylonian Exile was much further back and there were scatterings of us even before then. In some cases, we even predate the "locals" in the lands we lived in. But as the Resident Alien, we were always the ones to be blamed for whatever the problem of the day was. Come Christianity and Islam, things got even weirder. We were both a Holy People to be protected, but the most vile of traitors for not granting those religions legitimacy through conversion. Martin Luther infamously believed (among other reasons) that Jews refusing to convert to Catholicism was proof the Church had failed in its duties, but became enraged when Jews refused to convert to his religion. And so we kept getting tossed from one country to the next. We are remembered for being merchants and skilled craftsmen, but only because everyone else DIED; you can take your education/training with you, but not, e.g. your farm or fishing boat.
Skipping a lot of events, we come to the French Revolution and later Napoleon. The promises of the French Republic were a France where all citizens were, in fact, French. For once, we were to be equal citizens. This... didn't work out as expected. Again, skipping over a lot of history, we come to the Dreyfus Affair. After Bismarck utterly humiliated France, it was a Jewish war hero who was to blame for France's loss. It didn't matter that there was no real evidence, a large chunk of the public simply could never accept the idea of Jews being fellow Frenchmen. Combined with the Russian oppression of their Jewish populations (i.e., my family), a lot of Jews ended up looking to one country that was rivaling both France and Russia; Germany.
You can open a history textbook to read more on how THAT ended, but I'll focus on the relevant point; it did not matter how loyal we were or that we had fought in WWI in slightly higher percentages relative to the general population, Xenophobia is NOT a precision instrument. Hatred of one group almost universally leads to hatred of other groups, and whatever grievances Germany had with France, Britain, Poland or Russia only fed into more hatred of Jews. And Roma/"Gypsies" too, which is another sad story.
Ashamed of what they had done, Western Europe wanted to prevent the wrongs of the past from repeating, and one of the results was the creation of the Multiculturalism we see today. France, Germany and Britain invited in millions of Muslim immigrants who would never have been allowed to join European societies pre-WWII. I am doing a disservice if I don't mention that one of the original intentions of Multiculturalism actually was exploitation; the immigrants would work for low wages, then return home to be replaced with a new set of immigrants. As it turns out, many of those immigrants preferred to stay and formed communities in Europe, but those communities are not exactly pro-Jewish, for a number of reasons I'm glossing over lest this thread become yet another flame-war. Regardless, this leaves us again in yet another strange situation. The more grievances that natives have with the Muslim immigrants, regardless of their legitimacy, the more hatred the locals will have against Jews (and Roma, if we're being honest). The more grievances Muslims have against the locals, again, regardless of their legitimacy, Xenophobia and Hate are not precision tools, and you won't find too many anti-Western Muslims who are pro-Jewish. So I see a very dangerous future for my people in Europe, because if tensions continue to boil over, for us it won't matter too much which side "wins".
We never really viewed ourselves as being native to the lands we lived, for about 3000 years much of our identity has been that we were, in fact, Resident Aliens; many people date the Diaspora (our word, incidentally) to around 2000 years ago, but the Babylonian Exile was much further back and there were scatterings of us even before then. In some cases, we even predate the "locals" in the lands we lived in. But as the Resident Alien, we were always the ones to be blamed for whatever the problem of the day was. Come Christianity and Islam, things got even weirder. We were both a Holy People to be protected, but the most vile of traitors for not granting those religions legitimacy through conversion. Martin Luther infamously believed (among other reasons) that Jews refusing to convert to Catholicism was proof the Church had failed in its duties, but became enraged when Jews refused to convert to his religion. And so we kept getting tossed from one country to the next. We are remembered for being merchants and skilled craftsmen, but only because everyone else DIED; you can take your education/training with you, but not, e.g. your farm or fishing boat.
Skipping a lot of events, we come to the French Revolution and later Napoleon. The promises of the French Republic were a France where all citizens were, in fact, French. For once, we were to be equal citizens. This... didn't work out as expected. Again, skipping over a lot of history, we come to the Dreyfus Affair. After Bismarck utterly humiliated France, it was a Jewish war hero who was to blame for France's loss. It didn't matter that there was no real evidence, a large chunk of the public simply could never accept the idea of Jews being fellow Frenchmen. Combined with the Russian oppression of their Jewish populations (i.e., my family), a lot of Jews ended up looking to one country that was rivaling both France and Russia; Germany.
You can open a history textbook to read more on how THAT ended, but I'll focus on the relevant point; it did not matter how loyal we were or that we had fought in WWI in slightly higher percentages relative to the general population, Xenophobia is NOT a precision instrument. Hatred of one group almost universally leads to hatred of other groups, and whatever grievances Germany had with France, Britain, Poland or Russia only fed into more hatred of Jews. And Roma/"Gypsies" too, which is another sad story.
Ashamed of what they had done, Western Europe wanted to prevent the wrongs of the past from repeating, and one of the results was the creation of the Multiculturalism we see today. France, Germany and Britain invited in millions of Muslim immigrants who would never have been allowed to join European societies pre-WWII. I am doing a disservice if I don't mention that one of the original intentions of Multiculturalism actually was exploitation; the immigrants would work for low wages, then return home to be replaced with a new set of immigrants. As it turns out, many of those immigrants preferred to stay and formed communities in Europe, but those communities are not exactly pro-Jewish, for a number of reasons I'm glossing over lest this thread become yet another flame-war. Regardless, this leaves us again in yet another strange situation. The more grievances that natives have with the Muslim immigrants, regardless of their legitimacy, the more hatred the locals will have against Jews (and Roma, if we're being honest). The more grievances Muslims have against the locals, again, regardless of their legitimacy, Xenophobia and Hate are not precision tools, and you won't find too many anti-Western Muslims who are pro-Jewish. So I see a very dangerous future for my people in Europe, because if tensions continue to boil over, for us it won't matter too much which side "wins".
3 years ago #9872463
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I am a firm believer in freedom of religion and everyone should be able to practice their religion in peace. At the same time reacting violently over an asshole who burned your religious book is not the way to go. counter-protest but keep protests peaceful do not fall for the trap of the hateful trolls who want to make you and your religion look "uncivilized and violent" prove them wrong
edit: when I made this I was not aware of this #9872501 I tried to make my message vague by not bringing up any certain religion though my original statement and belief still stand even if not 100% about the conflict that Paludan caused
edit: when I made this I was not aware of this #9872501 I tried to make my message vague by not bringing up any certain religion though my original statement and belief still stand even if not 100% about the conflict that Paludan caused
3 years ago #9872740
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Did some research rasmus sounds like a swedish/Danish trump minus the money and bid for power.
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