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Nordic Council

Nordic Council

The Nordic Council is a real thing. It's not as awesome as it sounds.

1st April 2014

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2 days ago #9360222        

@finnhare, of all the things I thought I'd register for, I can't help but be forced to remind that Russia did NOT attack Ukraine. Russia did NOT make bloody revolution on Ukraine. And Russia did NOT alienate Ukraine, prohibiting all communication and even language use.
Seriously, if muricans can be understood, how can a close neighbor be so misinformed? Besides, if you were faced with the fact that your arguably blood relative country that practically shares soil with you - has been overthrown by nazis funded by Murica with one clear intent - another base, even naval base - what would you do? Sit and observe?
Talking about naval access - Crimea was Russian for ages. It has been given to Ukraine as part of the splitting of USSR. I won't deny some sort of annexation, but what choice did Russia have? With current anti-russian policy of Ukraine, best bet is total banishment or heavy repercussions for the vast numbers of russians there, and worst - sellout to UN or US. The process of Ukraine wishing to join the West in order to cover its debts and have "civilized life", by pretty much selling the country - have been expected and joked upon YEARS before 2014 conflict.
I couldn't really care less about Crimea, I'm not that patriotic. But the author of SatW spills some serious soap opera over all this "Sweden tried to take Norway from Denmark", clearly justifying the declaration of independence of Norway to be the "right decision" in the dire moment. Well, what if that didn't happen and Sweden would just "own" Norway to this very day?
Fact is - Ukraine was indeed held back by Russia. I won't deny it. But it was in order to keep it away from the West. Well, what happened? Bloody revolution, 21st century edition. And how did the "civilized west" react? "Russia bad, let's condemn them, they didn't want Ukraine be with us" "We approve some chocolate maker as a president of the Ukraine, along with the ruling government that has actually initiated the revolution. We don't care what it does to the country - it's for their best!". All sealed by hefty numbers, by a nation with 13 trillion $ debt.
And another fact - is how did the new Ukrainian government behave on that matter - they alienated russians, caused civil war and even alienated their own people in this war.
How exactly is Russia "hostile" in this conflict? And how innocent is Ukraine?
And please, don't start with all the "plane bombing, weapon smuggling" stuff. It's called Media Warfare. American generals and whatnot will say "from confirmed sources, we have info that Russia is smuggling weapons to pro-russian ukrainian opposition". Putin on the public conference was clearly asked "Are we involved in Ukrainian crisis? - No. For the last time, no." And you know what? I don't trust either of them. Because it's not the problem. It's merely the potential side-effect.

Being an AngryRussian and, as of late, growing the natural hatred towards USA, I still am among those who would rather be friendly with the world. Russia is an ex-superpower, but it's one of the poorer countries of Eurasia. For more than 50 years USA has been sabotaging us, our only hope is to be rational and careful about USA's ambitions.
And as for the mentioned ambitions - I don't have to tell you how many wars has USA started\ignited since WW2, which they STILL think they have actually taken major part in?
Enough with russian hatred...

28 days ago #9352730        

@finnhare Fun fact: the last time Russia attacked, they lost 10 times the people despite having 6 times the people. Mostly due to the way that they skied to and from battles, and the Russians weren't prepared for winter (one of the first and only times in the history for Russia). Basically, Finland whooped their asses. The only reason they lost is because of the number of Russians.

1 month ago #9350400        

The fourth panel: my life in a nutshell

2 months ago #9345541        

@tuonela. You have said earlier that " I think Finland should put some distance between the other Nordics and concentrate on improving relations with Russia. Our future is not with the Nordics".
Very special opinion when we are thinking about Finnish history, threat has always arrived to Finland from east (Russia/Sovjet Union). Russia/Sovjet Union has attacked several times to Finland in last centurys. And as you can see in Ukraine, Russia is not trusty and peace-loving neighbour.


2 months ago #9343868        

And yet I still want to attend

2 months ago #9340693        

Well, look who's talking.

2 months ago #9338705        

hahaha finland sover. velkommen til skandinavia


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3 months ago #9333127        

Might be different to have a union of nordic countries. Part of the reason why Norway broke away from Sweden was that our foreign policy interests was very different from that of Sweden. Internal politics was controlled by Norway already in the union that lasted until 1905. Norway is more of a resource based economy with strong maritime traditions. That is quite different from Sweden which is more like Germany, with strong engineering traditions making high quality consumer goods. Finland due to its proximity to Russia follows very different foreign policy than other Nordics with respect to security and defence.

I am sure the Nordic countries could have cooperated more but I know that at least for Norway it is a touchy subject given that we were under Denmark for 600 years and then about hundred years under Sweden. That is perhaps why the other guys see us as the most nationalistic. Our cultural identity was almost obliterated and thus we have very strong feelings about preserving it. Norway and Sweden are probably the most smilier Nordic countries but when it comes to Nationalism we probably have complete opposite ideas. It is an area where I think a lot of Norwegians feel very misunderstood by the Swedes.

3 months ago #9329332        

Greenland is so cool


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3 months ago #9324078        

I love Murika's expression there though haha. As if all of Europe doesn't think that at least once a week when looking as the US xD

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