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1st April 2014

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2 months ago #9384890        



Finally have enough comments to get America's face here as my avatar!! :D

2 months ago #9383961        



@AngryRussian From children, drunks, and angry Russians shall one hear the truth.

2 months ago #9382337        



Can understand from History why Finland frowns and carries knife--he lives next to Russia.

3 months ago #9365736        



Iceland and Norway have been arguing over mackerels for some time now. But Norway brings illogical statements. The fishes are OURS, they came to us. XD

3 months ago #9365334        



1808 - 1809 Finnish War
Russia attacked to Finland
result : Finland separated from Swedish kingdom, Finland and the Åland Islands ceded to Russia,

1918 Finnish Civil war
Soviet Russia supplied "Reds" with weapons and Germany helped "Whites"
result ; White Senate victory
Russian military presence ceased.

1939 -1940 Finnish Winter War
Sovjet Union attacked to finlad
result ; Finlad lost 12,37% of Finlands whole area to Soviet Union (Karelia, part of Salla..)

1941 - 1944 Finnish continuation War
Finland/Germany attacked to Sovjet Union, Finland tried to get back lost areas
result ; Finland lost Petsamo Province to the Soviet Union.

This is Finlands warhistory of last 200-years.
1808 Russia attacked to Finland, 1918 in Finnish civil war Soviet Russia supplied Reds with weapons and if
Reds would have won, Finland would never to become independent. Luckily Whites won and Finland became independent.
1939 Winter War, Soviet Union attacked to Finland and war started. I have saw Vladimir Putins interview where he says
that Finland border was too near Leningrad, so it was important to evacuate border. That was reason for Winter War (link under).

My wifes father is from Finlands lost Karelia. He have to left her familys residence, her familys farmland, her hometown
when Soviet Union attacked to Finland. Her own father is buried to hometowns Finnish soldiers grave with other finns
soldiers who only defended their own hometown against Soviet Unions attack. I visit there two years ago with my father-in-law.
Soviet Union had built own memorial onto Finnish soldiers grave. That is how Soviet Union shamed Finnish soldiers graves and
try to chance history, this is not only same kind of place in Finlands lost Karelia.

For our family Winter War and Soviet Unions attack is much more than just couple of rows in history books. This is reason for my
earlier text.

Peace-loving and trusty neighbour dont do this kind of thinks.

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3 months ago #9365177        



Yeah. Sad that we mostly just argue or talk about our cultures. Although I wish Denmark would give Iceland much more respect and treat us like a fellow member.

3 months ago #9364330        





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3 months ago #9362017        



At fear of getting into a long debate, I would like to point out a few things concerning your post.
1. The old Ukrainian government was demonstrably corrupt(the new one is too), and part of the reason for the uprising was to get rid of this corruption. Also note that while the ethnically Ukranian population in the western part of Ukraine are more pro EU than the ethnically Russian part in the east, the divide between the two was a result of Stalin's engineered famine in 1932-33, after which he displaced much of the remaining population in the east across the USSR, while replacing them with ethnically Russians.
2. No matter the excuse, annexing Ukraine's territory is a violation of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the US and the UK agreed that Ukraine's borders were guaranteed and so on. Should concerns over the arrangement have happened, the other nations should have been called into a meeting.
3. Note that Putin admitted on the 17. of April 2015 that there were in fact Russian troops in Crimea before the referendum. This is in clear contrast to his earlier statements that there were none.
4. Please note that a sígnificant amount of the Russian "volunteers" in eastern Ukraine are former troops that were discharged immediately before entering the country. For further information on this, see the Novaya Gazeta interview with a wounded tank crewman. Or, if you are not against reading a British news article, I recommend
This article summes up that most of the intell regarding the Russian deployments in Ukraine are from official Russian news sources.
5. Why bring up WWII? And why deny that the US had a major part in it? Yes, the USSR took the brunt of the German army, but remember that a significant portion was also tied up in western Europe. Not to mention the Lend-Lease act, in which the US supplied the USSR with quite a lot of war supplies.

4 months ago #9360222        



@finnhare, of all the things I thought I'd register for, I can't help but be forced to remind that Russia did NOT attack Ukraine. Russia did NOT make bloody revolution on Ukraine. And Russia did NOT alienate Ukraine, prohibiting all communication and even language use.
Seriously, if muricans can be understood, how can a close neighbor be so misinformed? Besides, if you were faced with the fact that your arguably blood relative country that practically shares soil with you - has been overthrown by nazis funded by Murica with one clear intent - another base, even naval base - what would you do? Sit and observe?
Talking about naval access - Crimea was Russian for ages. It has been given to Ukraine as part of the splitting of USSR. I won't deny some sort of annexation, but what choice did Russia have? With current anti-russian policy of Ukraine, best bet is total banishment or heavy repercussions for the vast numbers of russians there, and worst - sellout to UN or US. The process of Ukraine wishing to join the West in order to cover its debts and have "civilized life", by pretty much selling the country - have been expected and joked upon YEARS before 2014 conflict.
I couldn't really care less about Crimea, I'm not that patriotic. But the author of SatW spills some serious soap opera over all this "Sweden tried to take Norway from Denmark", clearly justifying the declaration of independence of Norway to be the "right decision" in the dire moment. Well, what if that didn't happen and Sweden would just "own" Norway to this very day?
Fact is - Ukraine was indeed held back by Russia. I won't deny it. But it was in order to keep it away from the West. Well, what happened? Bloody revolution, 21st century edition. And how did the "civilized west" react? "Russia bad, let's condemn them, they didn't want Ukraine be with us" "We approve some chocolate maker as a president of the Ukraine, along with the ruling government that has actually initiated the revolution. We don't care what it does to the country - it's for their best!". All sealed by hefty numbers, by a nation with 13 trillion $ debt.
And another fact - is how did the new Ukrainian government behave on that matter - they alienated russians, caused civil war and even alienated their own people in this war.
How exactly is Russia "hostile" in this conflict? And how innocent is Ukraine?
And please, don't start with all the "plane bombing, weapon smuggling" stuff. It's called Media Warfare. American generals and whatnot will say "from confirmed sources, we have info that Russia is smuggling weapons to pro-russian ukrainian opposition". Putin on the public conference was clearly asked "Are we involved in Ukrainian crisis? - No. For the last time, no." And you know what? I don't trust either of them. Because it's not the problem. It's merely the potential side-effect.

Being an AngryRussian and, as of late, growing the natural hatred towards USA, I still am among those who would rather be friendly with the world. Russia is an ex-superpower, but it's one of the poorer countries of Eurasia. For more than 50 years USA has been sabotaging us, our only hope is to be rational and careful about USA's ambitions.
And as for the mentioned ambitions - I don't have to tell you how many wars has USA started\ignited since WW2, which they STILL think they have actually taken major part in?
Enough with russian hatred...

4 months ago #9352730        



@finnhare Fun fact: the last time Russia attacked, they lost 10 times the people despite having 6 times the people. Mostly due to the way that they skied to and from battles, and the Russians weren't prepared for winter (one of the first and only times in the history for Russia). Basically, Finland whooped their asses. The only reason they lost is because of the number of Russians.

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