This is all I can think about when archaeologists talk about phallus symbols as part of ancient religions we know nothing or very little about. Why not just assume people back then also had childish humor?
In Finland we have conscriptions. During military camps in the forests, one of the favourite activities of our non-commisioned officers is carving dicks out of wood. No joke. Then they end up being scattered around the barracks and staff officers get pissed.
@Finn123 sometimes i get baffled by the motives of these people and then i realise that i am asian.
weirdly and ironically enough where i'm from people consider dick jokes pretty weird and disgusting, but we sure as hell make them anyways.
@Finn123 Singapore have conscription as well instead of wooden dicks we have CB Leaf.
Google: (Ah Boys to men (Singaporean movie) ,leaf ) .Got video be prepared to laugh. https://youtu.be/2lCHhSSL7ZQ
I feel it should be noted that for achaeologists, "religious object" or "ritualistic tool" or similar are pretty much catch-all terms for "we have no idea what this is or what it was used for"
Considering that the first recorded joke was bathroom humor (it might have been a fart joke, I don't remember the specifics), seems legit to me. Current archeology is pretty bizarre, though, and it seems that phallic+fertility religion is the default assumption or something. There are all these little rock carvings found in digs that are obviously a woman's body, but without feet, hands, or head-- and the proportions are really unrealistic, right? For years, the belief was that these were creepy fertility goddess totems. Then a woman picked one up, looked at it from different angles, and laughed because-- if you look at it down the neck, it looks exactly the way a woman's body looks /from her own perspective/ when she's heavily pregnant. The little carvings are self-portraits by bored pregnant women. And after some basic handprint analysis, they now think all those cave paintings aren't so much men documenting their victories as bored pregnant women documenting what they're going to do as soon as they get out of the stupid cave. Sure, there's plenty of proven religious art and items in history, but given how we've also found a lot of ancient graffiti... probably a lot less of it is solemn and religious than people like to think.
@ArynChris I believe the oldest recorded joke (at least in English) goes like: What hangs at a man's thigh, and wants to poke the hole that it's often poked before?
@ArynChris i've also heard that there's a big bias for archaeologists in considering any phallic artifact to be religious, and any female anatomy artifacts to be sexual.
@Zathy
Payment is just one reason for this, many alchaeologists just want to think they found something important, not some useless trash (Well actuall trash is important in archaeology, but a joke items would be far less so).
@Zathy Worked doing some genetic anthropology for awhile, and rubbed elbows with a number of archelogists in the process. I can totally confirm this is the case. Religions used to be a lot more functional than they are now but also more culturally pervasive as well as culturally ingrained, so religious purposes meant, "It had a purpose, but no clue what. Since technically most of their activities were 'religious' as a result, and the item is culture-specific, it's technically true.... but intentionally misleading to those not-in-the-know.
And then there's fertility rituals.
That's just a polite way of saying it was used in sex-related activities. Think about it. Weekly having sex with your spouse is, by definition, a fertility ritual, as is daily masturbation. So chances are that stone dildo had been up inside someone a bit lonely at some point.
@joshupetersen Thank you for making me feel more confident about my daily fertility rituals.
Now I can be religiously proud of something I used to be ashamed of.
Honestly, after reading the ancient graffiti at Pompeii, I think it's far more likely that people in ancient times just had childish humor.
They'd probably laugh themselves hoarse every time an archeologist finds another dick. Like "Haha! P0wned U!!"
During this time there was very few cultures these things actually was deemed inappropriate. I suppose these things are often from Mesolithikum, Neolithikum and such (the Stone Age) and back then no one thought it was inappropriate because it was a part of our body, it was used to go on the toilet, create pleasure and babies. Why would they joke about it when it was seen at totally natural? They didn't use clothes to hide themselves or for fashion, like we, after all. They had clothes simply because they should protect themselves from the cold and other things in nature. If these things was from the Stone Age at least. I would think it was around the Bronze Age people began to deem it inappropriate.
@Swedishbooks There is a valid case to be made for that, and many historians agree. But there is also a significant portion of historians and anthropologists that postulate the inherent "inappropriateness", if you will, is do to the biologically driven urge to protect the genitals above almost all else, which is of course driven by the need to reproduce.
The fact of the matter is, barring the invention of a time machine (or equally illuminating technological advancements), the Stone Age is to far gone for us to grasp anything more than the most rudimentary understanding of their culture and social patterns.
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