The Proposal

I'm from USA, and I think the best idea would be to drop Trump in the middle of Greenland by helicopter so he can do a walking tour and plan his Trump tower.

@EricD Drop him down a crevasse.

@EricD
Drop him from altitude.

As an american, I would like to apologize to the EU and other countries for how much of a complete moron the idiot-in-chief is. Not all americans are like him, and quite a few despise him. He's like a tick that's burrowed in too deep to burn out.

I fervently dream that he gets smacked out of office in the upcoming elections (even though statistics show that incumbents usually win a second term).

@Cervani The "good" news (insofar as the 2020 election is concerned) is that every time he opens his mouth, Americans lose jobs and the economy drops again. This, along with people finally understanding what dealing with his amazingly noxious personality is like for years on end, is badly hurting his chances of being reelected.

The bad news is that he's spent years priming his supporters on the idea that the elections are rigged so for the first time in the country's history there's a serious question of a defeated president refusing to vacate office and what are we going to do then?

@Cervani You are on point. Hoping he doesn't make a second term

@Cervani While America has a lot to apologize for with Trump. I question whether we should? Our individual attempts to be civil and loyal to our allies, just put them in a position to where Trump and our fascists can sh*t on them. But on the other hand if Europe does turn us, it will just validate the fascists' claims.

I guess what I am saying, is Europe, Trump and the fascists might be our metaphorical conjoined twin, but they are their own person. We can not apologize for their actions. But please take this heart felt apology that we have not done more to deal with them. We are working on the problem. Please be patient and use your best judgement. Right now our metaphorical twin in charge of the legs and we are doing our best to not walk off a both a metaphorical and literal cliff.

Mette: wanna hear a joke?
Trump: sure
Mette: Greenland.
Trump: i don’t get it.
Mette: and you never will.
*yyeeeaaaahhh!!*

@Schweden I honestly laughed out loud at that one!

@Schweden xD
Though to be fair, I'm not so sure about that... For the moment we caught a break with the new US oil production, but I don't know how international relations will stand in 10 years. And my guess is Oil will cause a lot of wars at that point (yeah I know it already has, but it probably won't be on the same scale)

The absolute one and ONLY thing that Trump is good at is being an utter asshat. I'd call him a douchebag, but I shudder to think of letting *THAT* up in my personal ladybusiness. Hell no.

That being said... could we sell Trump to anyone? Or anywhere? Seriously, one never knows, he might make a good sewer worker or mobile scarecrow. Or hey, an organ-donor! There we go! Anybody need a heart? I'm dead certain he's not using his.....

@Ysabet My impression of sewer workers is that they do hard, dirty work that hardly anyone is willing to do and it serves the common good of the people. Given Trump's track record as president, I don't think this is his type of job (although it would be good character building! If you could get him to do it...).

A scarecrow, however, I think he'd be great! Or hey, Halloween is coming up, he could work in a haunted house! I'd certainly be scared.

@cdub Yeah some of your left radicals described that as one of the most recent and terrible form of capitalism : the people doing actual usefull work are miserable because they are poorly paid and get no social recognition while others do useless well-paid office jobs that are socially recognized but are miserable because they understand that their job is useless or toxic to the greater good.

@Ysabet
Well, Musk did use a Tesla as ballast for his missile test… in retrospect I'd call this a missed opportunity *cough*

I mean...at least we got a comic where Greenland isn't glaring daggers at Denmark out of the whole mess?

I hope Greenland has an official response, something to the tune of:

"The people of Greenland find they have no interest in being as poorly managed and governed as the United States of America does to its current states and territories. We have our own problems and do not need yours too. Nor are we much impressed with an offer to be 'bought' by a country 16 trillion dollars in debt. Finally, in conclusion, we cordially invite MISTER Trump to go eat a dick."

@Hinoron I believe there was a semi-official statement from Iceland that reflected that basic sentiment while being a touch more diplomatic.

@Hinoron

I wouldn't include the last sentence. Both to be diplomatic rather than falling to match his level and because global warming is bad enough without some idiot using half the US nuclear arsenal to meld Greenland's glaciers. [At least I hope I'm joking with this last bit!]

@stevep59

Oh yes, I agree. I would like, and expect to see such a response from the proper channels of Greenland's government, less the last line.
The last line is just my own personal fantasy; I know it wouldn't happen. And yet... Imagining it being replayed over and over on every international news station is still making me smile.

Greenland wouldn't be the 51st state even if some sort of deal was reached.

Greenland is politically liberal compared to the US, so Republican lawmakers would absolutely avoid allowing it statehood (like they've done with Puerto Rico and Washington DC for years) in order to avoid shifting the balance of power in Congress. And so it would sit as a US Territory.

The true nightmare of Trump is how much of the nation folds up its ears and ignores him. He's a criminal, a psychopath, a neo-nazi, a big fat orange turd that serves foreign interests...but the same percentages as always just kind of 'ho-hum' and stick their heads in the sand and say, "well both sides are bad, so I just won't vote."

'@boring7' Actually, no...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587Nw4sOA44

'@LogicMeister' Actually, yes. The media told the unvarnished truth, you just can't accept it. But that's the problem, not only are you all neo-nazi monsters you LITERALLY cannot handle basic reality or basic logic. Here, even if we pretend he wasn't talking about the neo nazis, he was talking about the neo-nazis: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/trump-still-lies-about-very-fine-people-in-charlottesville https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right-racism-defense-charlottesville https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_South

But since you live in a post-factual bubble where facts have no place, you'll reject it all in favor of whatever god-emperor trumpy the traitor tells you.

'@boring7' You clearly didn't click my link, in which Trump clearly states that he condemns Neo-Nazis and other such groups, so why should I click yours?

Also if Trump really was calling Neo-Nazis "good people", then he was also calling ANTIFA "good people" even though they're amongst his most extreme detractors

'@LogicMeister' "You clearly didn't click my link"
Wrooooooong.

It's not that other people "don't understand" what you're saying, it's that YOU don't understand what you're saying.

Trump called Neo-nazis 'fine people' no matter HOW you try to re=interpret or re-imagine his words.

Antifa are anti-nazi. Which means they're anti-you. Because you're a nazi.

'@boring7' Trump specifically said "...I'm NOT talking about the Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists, they should be condemned TOTALLY"

And what evidence do you have that I'm a Nazi? or are you just calling me that cause you don't have an ACTUAL argument?

'@LogicMeister' He "specifically said" after being called out for the "fine people" comment, and both before and after made numerous comments supporting ANYONE who supported him. Indeed, Richard Spencer (One of the leading voices in White Supremacy right now) was very vocal about how proud he was of Trump NOT condemning White Supremacists.

THEN we get to the part where the "heritage" crowd who you pretend were the only ones receiving Trumpian accolades are also White Supremacists who hide behind pretense but are unambiguously racist pigs. The "Lost Cause of the South" people and the kind of folks who defend confederate statues are the kind of people who put UP confederate statues which were put up to intimidate and suppress the black vote during the civil rights movement. The American Civil War was about slavery, EVERYTHING ELSE is a lie invented to whitewash after the fact. You need look no further than the articles of secession themselves.

As for your own nazi leanings; you're a Trumper, a supporter of Trumpers, and a supporter of white supremacy movements like the Lost Causers. This is self evident.

It's ALSO where you're probably going to start lying, because Trumpers follow their leader and constantly argue dishonestly.

'@boring7' So you taking the word of Mainstream News outlets that openly hate Trump and a Neo-Nazi who'd say anything that'd benefit his cause?

Also you seems unable to see the nuances of History & a Situation, the Civil War was about Slavery, but the statues that the protests were over were dedicate to prominent historical figures, so the side protesting for the preservation were interested in respecting and preserving Cultural History, not racism

But sure go ahead and call everyone who doesn't completely hate Trump a Nazi. Even though he has Black, Jewish, LGBT, Asian & Mexican supporters. Cause if you call everyone who you hate "evil" you don't have to justify doing horrible things to them.... Wait, that what the Nazi's did

'@LogicMeister' The Mainstream News bends over BACKWARDS to help Trump, he's just so bad he can't be helped. If the mainstream media treated Trump the way it treated Clinton, Obama, or even George W. Bush Trump would already be in jail.

Ah yes, the 'you don't understand' canard. The problem is I *do* understand. The statues and confederate monuments were put up across the south to intimidate and threaten black voters. Indeed, most of them went up during the civil rights era SPECIFICALLY as a response to 'uppity negroes.' It was absolutely about racism, and preserving a culture of racism. That's the thing, I know your misconceptions and the truth behind them, you know nothing. That's your 'nuances of history'.

And then the straw man. and then the friend argument. and then another straw man. And then psychological projection.

Because that's how nazis work; can endless litany of fallacies and outright denial of reality.

'@boring7' And it clear you have TDS. How exactly is an organization that falsely makes accusations of treason, sexual misconduct & collusion about Trump helping him?

Stop making up nonsensical BS solely cause you don't like Trump.

And here's a reality check, half of America voted Trump, if they're all Nazis how come they voted for a guy who's daughter, Son-in-Law & Grandkid are Jews? And why haven't they attacked Jews in mass yet? It been 3 years

'@LogicMeister' "And it clear you have TDS."
A false acronym/meme coined, promoted, and shoved in our faces by the Mainstream Media. Proving my point handily.

"How exactly is an organization that falsely makes accusations of treason, sexual misconduct & collusion about Trump helping him?"
The media defends him and plays the "both sides" card to water-down the highly-credible (if not outright proven) allegations of treason, sexual misconduct, and collusion. Sorry the mainstream media's lied to you so much, but half-scoop admitted to treason on twitter already. D2S did it again this weekend.

"Stop making up nonsensical BS solely cause you don't like Trump."
And here's where you're engaging in psychological projection. But I can only guess that you're referring to the proven fact that confederate monuments were a racist assault on civil liberties ( https://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras ) and how you don't want to believe that. If you want to start splitting hairs the specific monument in Charlottesville was constructed back in 1880-something by a confederate dead-ender who rejected Lee's statements as well as reconstruction; celebrating the Lost Cause myth at its birth. So it's just as bad, but from a different generation.

"And here's a reality check, half of America voted Trump,"
Less than a quarter, actually. Most Americans don't vote.

"if they're all Nazis"
No, just the cult-like devotees. MOST Trump supporters vote for him and remain in willful ignorance. The "omg politics bad, imma try to ignore it" exhaustion almost always works in Republican favor.

"how come they voted for a guy who's daughter, Son-in-Law & Grandkid are Jews?"
See: Friend Argument. Funny story, the neo-nazis hate, hate, HATE "race-traitor" convert Ivanka and the notorious J. Kush. They have long, hate-filled diatribes ranting about how the "liberal elite" kids are ruining Great Father Trump with their (((globalist))) machinations. Check Garrison's crazy comics featuring Kushner. They're a trip.

"And why haven't they attacked Jews in mass yet?"
They have. You were probably too busy worrying about the poor, neglected guns to pay attention to the mass shootings.


And since

'@boring7' So basically everyone who voted for Trump is either evil, racist, apathetic, idiotic or all of the above, and Trump is the embodiment of evil who has all of the Mainstream elites, most of whom are extremely left-leaning manipulating people to vote for him?

In other words, you do have TDS and try to reason with you is a waste of time as you'll always come up with some twisted BS to fit your worldview

'@LogicMeister' "So basically everyone who voted for Trump is either evil, racist, apathetic, idiotic or all of the above,"
Yes.

"Trump is the embodiment of evil"
No. Although it's funny how the evangelicals embrace him despite him ticking ALL their boxes on "what the Antichrist would be."

"who has all of the Mainstream elites...manipulating people to vote for him?"
Not ALL of them. Just most of them. And the actual manipulations/intentions are too multifaceted for a sound-bite. Which is arguably why you are pathologically incapable of understanding the big picture. Example: neutral media that softballs Trump because they're afraid of being accused of 'liberal bias'.

"most of whom are extremely left-leaning "
Wrong again.

"In other words, you do have TDS"
Again, a term invented by the mainstream media, doesn't actually exist.

"and try to reason with you is a waste of time"
...because you, logicmeister, are incapable of reason.

"as you'll always come up with some twisted BS to fit your worldview"
Projection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

BTW, you may note that every subject change in this little dialogue was YOU choosing to ignore when you were factually wrong about something by saying, "well whatabout this?! Whatabout that?!" Like all fascists, you couldn't defend your thesis, so you had to change the subject and talk about the liberal media myth. The Friend Argument. Calling me deranged. All because you don't have an ACTUAL argument.

The original topic was neo-nazis, how they love Trump and how Trump loves them. How there is no defense of the confederate memorials that isn't either a lie or blatant fascism.

@boring7 It's worse than that. "Ho-hum, the economy is doing well so I'll vote for him again." 2020 will be my first voting election, and I've already decided that since I'm apparently a disloyal American Jew who doesn't know what he's doing, I won't know how to vote Republican.

@Tireman Wait what ? He said what exactly about jews ?

@Isdaril He said that Jews who vote Democrat are disloyal, and that while Israeli Jews love him like he's "the king of Israel"* or "the second coming of God"**, American Jews just don't know what they're doing at all.

* If Jews believed that the king of Israel had returned, they'd be dancing in the streets for weeks. That would be, like, the biggest deal ever. A world leader with diplomatic ties to Israel is nowhere on that level.

** This phrase makes literally no sense in Jewish theology.

@Tireman Oh ok I misunderstood you I thought he had said something particularly racist (which would not surprise me that much considering the guy, but still, insulting jews publicly is a touchy business, even racists seldom do it).
That being said, it's still pretty funny how his megalomania knows no bound ^^

@Isdaril Does that not count as "particularly racist" for you? And I envy French Jews if your people are reluctant to insult Jews. In America, it's fairly common practice for even your basic racists.

@Tireman Well I don't know... Why would it be racist to say that jews love him ? It's an incredibly stupid comment, and it's probably disrespectful of Judaism on some degree, but racist ? I'm not so sure, it is clearly not racist in its pure sense anyway.
But I suppose it can be racist depending on your definition of racism (which has become pretty vague nowadays)
Well I was probably not very clear : I'm not saying jews are not targets of insults, bad jokes or outright racist comments on their everyday life (I'd say they probably have it better than most minorities though, but then I don't know a lot of jews, maybe it's just my impression). But though people would do that on the street or in private, it is very very rare for a public person (journalist, politician...) to do so in a public statement while it's not so rare to hear racist comments about other minorities (it is not that common either, overall it is pretty bad press to make those in France).

@Isdaril Well, the "any Jew who votes Democrat is disloyal" is racist in my opinion, in the sense that saying "and Black person who votes Democrat is stupid" would be. The part of his tweet that I object to is "American Jews don't know what they're doing." That's an entire ethnic group in your country there, Donnie.
Ah I see, I see. That makes more sense.

@Tireman Hmmmm I understand what you mean. But still I don't consider it racist, because he's probably not really considering jews as an ethnic group but as an elector group. Trump is a politician so he's trained to see people as "group of electors" and I'm pretty sure he would say the same thing about coal workers or journalists or catholics... And what he's doing is just regular politics as 'convincing an electoral group to vote for him'. What I mean to say is that he's speaking of american jews as he would speak of any other random group of people hence I don't consider it a racist comment because he's literraly treating jews like he's treating everybody else (poorly then but eh... what can i say...).

I say it's a stupid comment though because he has no argument whatsoever. He just states something, expecting it will magically turn true if he says it enough (which is how he operates, and it seems to be working somehow, I wish I had the power to do that...).

Though I'll agree with you that it probably depends on how broad of a definition of racism you have. And of how much you value the importance of ridding your speech of things that could be racist (well the exact word is xenophobic, the actual sense of racism is way more restrictive than what it's used for) in other circumstances or outside of context.

@Isdaril I get what you're saying, but I don't think that changes the racism of the comment. If you say "American blacks don't know what they're doing," nobody would question that that's a racist remark to make.

'@Tireman' Thing is, the economy's doing BAD. Big businesses are trying to prop things up and play pretend until the election because they wanna keep the tax burden on the poor (fun fact: Trump raised taxes on the poor, and timed it to go into effect after the midterms), but the system's redlined just like all those 'crazy liberals' said it would. Same liberals who put it back together after the LAST time a conservative ruined everything with bad fiscal policy.

But a third of the nation would rather burn it down than see an "other" have a fair shake and another third sticks its head in the sand and "doesn't like politics" even as the GOP conducts open treason against America and her people.

@boring7 Well, the economy is doing well if measured by certain parameters tailored specifically to make it seem like it's doing well when it's really fucking over the entire working class.

Honestly I'm relieved that he isn't visiting anymore. It would have been a pain in the arse and even worse our queen would have to sit through an entire dinner with him as her dinner partner. I can't even imagine spending one minut in his presence let alone a whole evening without losing my marbles. But at the same time I find it rather funny that he first invites himself to Denmark without an official invitation and afterwards cancels because our primeminister simply called the idea of selling an indigenous people and their land a silly idea. If he isn't the most perfect example of a fragile ego then I don't know who is.... God please tell me it's soon election time. I don't think the world can handle another four years of this madness.

@littleviking
Unfortunately from what I've been seeing, not having desired to see much of the US Presidential campaign yet as there's still over a year to go! the Democrats seem to be struggling frantically to lose the election. Plus the infighting and level of 'debate' is such that the country will stay deeply divided and there seems to be a distinct fear that he will win again.

Presumably in that case the top priority of the new administration would be repealing the constitutional amendment that restricts a President to two elected terms.

I feel like this is proof of the infinite timelines hypothesis. This could only happen if we live in a multiverse where even the most insane thing happens in some universe somewhere. We just got stuck in that one timeline in a billion where an idiot buffoon somehow became president of America.