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I learned about the Italian movement where men fight for their right to take care of themselves without being ridiculed many years ago, and it left quite an impression on me.

21st September 2017

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Rukduk

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3 months ago #9681820        
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See, this is the kind of movement I could get behind because it can be summed up as "Don't hold us to the standards of Toxic Masculinity. I want to be able to live by myself and not be shamed for that." It's, at any rate better than some of the bullshit angry young men say here in America (I say as a young American man), which is often highly sexist, as they feel as if they are "owed" something from women, and because they haven't "received" what they are "owed", women should be punished. The only time when neither group will feel oppressed is when a society embraces fully equal rights. Until then, both sexes will be trapped by society. Women by men's socially constructed power, and men by their reliance on that same power to survive. A movement like what Brother Italy says here is helpful to both sexes, even if it's not readily apparent at first. Because masculine pride and privilege is harmful to both sexes.
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Dammit, why do groups in Europe make more sense (or at least have better arguments) than our equivalents here in the US?

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3 months ago #9681723        
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It's most unfortunate that so many men's rights activists do just campaign for the right to shit on women, when there's real rights to campaign for.
Not just Italian men cooking, but that's a worthy one, too.

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3 months ago #9682053        
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"We get that there are many rights worthy of fighting for, but surprisingly many men just want to shit on women."

This attitude is part of the problem. While Norway does have the decency to ask what Italy is talking about, most of the time the conversation just ends there. "You have some good points, but most MRAs are bad people, so I'm going to ignore the good points."

The fact that we can't even outlaw circumcision is proof of how much people are willing to ignore legitimate points when they negatively affect men. While I'm not claiming it's anywhere near as bad as FGM, it is still performing an unnecessary cosmetic surgery on an non-consenting infants genitals, that can reduce sexual pleasure. That's pretty messed up. This should be trivial to get down to the point where everyone who doesn't have religious justification regards it as a practice that should be ended. But we can't. Slicing up penises is heavily normalized. And I think that is in part due to the attitude to always ignore MRAs, because some MRAs are misogynists.

And some MRAs are misogynistic. But some Feminists are misandrist. It's only natural that any group of people that is focused on the needs of one gender is going to include people who hate the other gender. But ignore the sexists, and focus on the reasonable ones. You are still allowed to disagree with reasonable MRAs and Feminists. But don't let the extremists prevent you from hearing them out in the first place. Or you'll keep living in a country where genital mutilation of infants is so normalized, that shockingly few people even recognize it's wrong to do at all.

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Kimberly

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3 months ago #9681708        
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Let's make this simple: No person, regardless of gender, should be made to feel subservient to, inferior to, wholly dependent on, or abused by another person.

'Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. Because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.' - Buckaroo Banzai

Fakjbf95

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3 months ago #9681720        
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Had an roommate in college from Italy, think of someone trying to do an over-the-top Jersey Shore impression and he was more Italian than that. I had to teach him how to do laundry, vacuum, unclog a toilet (that was fun....), make his bed, go grocery shopping, and use a stove (not how to cook, how to physically use a stove).

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3 months ago #9682507        
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There are some real men's rights issues. In the US, men can only vote if they sign up for the draft, and if they don't sign up for the draft, they can go to jail. Women are not required to sign up for the draft, but they still get to vote. Fathers win custody of their children only about 5% of the time and they have to spend a lot of money on court cases to get visitation rights. Also, men commit suicide at about 4 times the rates of women, but when there are men's suicide conferences, people protest them and call the people involved misogynists, like at the Toronto conference a few years ago.

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3 months ago #9683016        
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That's right; when sexist ideas get ingrained in culture they hurt EVERYONE.

3 months ago #9682217        
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Meanwhile here in America we just want to go to college without getting kicked out for 3 years on rape accusations from women we've never met that never even get sent to the police let alone investigated.

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3 months ago #9681742        
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That old stereotype about how real men are not supposed to do house work is silly. Cooking, cleaning and sewing have always been important skills among real tough manly guys like soldiers, sailors and vikings.

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3 months ago #9683457        
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I'm of the opinion that men's rights is just as important a topic as women's right. I think most people are familiar with women's rights, but, sadly, just like the sisters in the comics, when you start talking about men's rights everyone assumes you're a misogynist pig. But there are some real issues of concern. Just a few examples (these are specific to the US):

Fathers almost never get custody of children even when they can show that the mother is a bad parent.
Women can beat their husbands/boyfriends, even in public, and no one does anything about it. And heaven help the man who presses domestic abuse charges. And female emotional/verbal abuse against men is depressingly common and even less likely to be addressed.
And speaking of abuse, how about access to abuse shelters? Women who are abused can call a number and they're whisked away to a safe house no questions asked. Men who are abused have to take it and get demonized for abandoning their wives and lose their children if they try to leave on their own.
For that matter, even self defense against a woman gets demonized.
How about the workplace? This may just be where I work, but I constantly have to hear about the perceived failings of men in the form of "only a man" or "men can't" comments. Similar comments targeted at women would not be tolerated, but it's apparently OK to trash talk men.
And then there's the portrayal of men in popular media as worthless, bumbling fools.

These are real problems, every bit as valid as women's rights issues. The douche bags who want to "shit on women" are the minority, the MRA equivalent to the femnazis who are causing many young women to refuse to identify as feminists these days. But somehow you can't even mention men's rights without everyone assuming you're one of them.

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