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I learned about the Italian movement where men fight for their right to take care of themselves without being ridiculed many years ago, and it left quite an impression on me.

21st September 2017

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Rukduk

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5 months ago #9681820        
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See, this is the kind of movement I could get behind because it can be summed up as "Don't hold us to the standards of Toxic Masculinity. I want to be able to live by myself and not be shamed for that." It's, at any rate better than some of the bullshit angry young men say here in America (I say as a young American man), which is often highly sexist, as they feel as if they are "owed" something from women, and because they haven't "received" what they are "owed", women should be punished. The only time when neither group will feel oppressed is when a society embraces fully equal rights. Until then, both sexes will be trapped by society. Women by men's socially constructed power, and men by their reliance on that same power to survive. A movement like what Brother Italy says here is helpful to both sexes, even if it's not readily apparent at first. Because masculine pride and privilege is harmful to both sexes.
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Dammit, why do groups in Europe make more sense (or at least have better arguments) than our equivalents here in the US?

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5 months ago #9681723        
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It's most unfortunate that so many men's rights activists do just campaign for the right to shit on women, when there's real rights to campaign for.
Not just Italian men cooking, but that's a worthy one, too.

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5 months ago #9682053        
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"We get that there are many rights worthy of fighting for, but surprisingly many men just want to shit on women."

This attitude is part of the problem. While Norway does have the decency to ask what Italy is talking about, most of the time the conversation just ends there. "You have some good points, but most MRAs are bad people, so I'm going to ignore the good points."

The fact that we can't even outlaw circumcision is proof of how much people are willing to ignore legitimate points when they negatively affect men. While I'm not claiming it's anywhere near as bad as FGM, it is still performing an unnecessary cosmetic surgery on an non-consenting infants genitals, that can reduce sexual pleasure. That's pretty messed up. This should be trivial to get down to the point where everyone who doesn't have religious justification regards it as a practice that should be ended. But we can't. Slicing up penises is heavily normalized. And I think that is in part due to the attitude to always ignore MRAs, because some MRAs are misogynists.

And some MRAs are misogynistic. But some Feminists are misandrist. It's only natural that any group of people that is focused on the needs of one gender is going to include people who hate the other gender. But ignore the sexists, and focus on the reasonable ones. You are still allowed to disagree with reasonable MRAs and Feminists. But don't let the extremists prevent you from hearing them out in the first place. Or you'll keep living in a country where genital mutilation of infants is so normalized, that shockingly few people even recognize it's wrong to do at all.

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Kimberly

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5 months ago #9681708        
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Let's make this simple: No person, regardless of gender, should be made to feel subservient to, inferior to, wholly dependent on, or abused by another person.

'Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean. Because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.' - Buckaroo Banzai

Fakjbf95

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5 months ago #9681720        
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Had an roommate in college from Italy, think of someone trying to do an over-the-top Jersey Shore impression and he was more Italian than that. I had to teach him how to do laundry, vacuum, unclog a toilet (that was fun....), make his bed, go grocery shopping, and use a stove (not how to cook, how to physically use a stove).

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5 months ago #9682507        
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There are some real men's rights issues. In the US, men can only vote if they sign up for the draft, and if they don't sign up for the draft, they can go to jail. Women are not required to sign up for the draft, but they still get to vote. Fathers win custody of their children only about 5% of the time and they have to spend a lot of money on court cases to get visitation rights. Also, men commit suicide at about 4 times the rates of women, but when there are men's suicide conferences, people protest them and call the people involved misogynists, like at the Toronto conference a few years ago.

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5 months ago #9683016        
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That's right; when sexist ideas get ingrained in culture they hurt EVERYONE.

5 months ago #9682217        
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Meanwhile here in America we just want to go to college without getting kicked out for 3 years on rape accusations from women we've never met that never even get sent to the police let alone investigated.

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5 months ago #9681742        
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That old stereotype about how real men are not supposed to do house work is silly. Cooking, cleaning and sewing have always been important skills among real tough manly guys like soldiers, sailors and vikings.

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4 months ago #9686624        
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It all comes down to my best friend and my comment every time this comes up. "Women belong in the kitchen, men belong in the kitchen, everyone belongs in the kitchen because there is where the food is."

This goes for all aspects of human necessities. I believe women should know how to effectively change a tire and fix a lawnmower and men should know how to wash and iron clothing. Everything that human needs to do should be taught to all humans. What they do with it, as adults, is completely up to them.

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