It's nothing

Damn it, would everyone just realize that Rome wasn't build in a day, regardless of going into the EU or leaving it you will have problems, geez, seems everyone is forgetting how absolutly shitty the introduction of the Euro went, and how it continues to be unstable, just like Scandinavia didn't crash and burn after the end of the Kalmar union, Britain or England won't be either, the thought is simply absurd.

Also as far as i'm aware leaving the EU wasn't their problem at all, but rather the fact that their politicians are fucking morons and that whole NHS debaucle.

@Danishmusician93

All politicians idiots.

@Danishmusician93
Just saying, maybe using the Kalmar Union might not be the best of examples, considering we spent the half a millenium wasting resources battling each other.

@Ocadioan
Perhaps next time you could join Finland and Estonia who have never warred between each other.

@Ocadioan Ever heard of the scottish and irish rebellions/wars against England? basicly the same thing, though yeah sure Denmark and Sweden has been at war on and off since the early medieval times, but that doesn't change the fact that both Britain and the Kalmar union are both unions made up of countries that has been at war for atleast a couple of hundred years before unifying and both unions didn't have complete support from all sides and the countries involved in both unions are culturally different, Denmark, Sweden and Norway were arguably more culturally similar than the British isles at the time regardless of war.

Still proud of my coutry. We made the right choice. You will realise this in time.

@Lambert2191 I'm a Brit too and I agree. The remainiacs are too pessimistic and focused on the short term. Most of us voting leave knew there'd be economic turmoil but that's worth getting our democracy and the right to make our own laws back. We're capable of looking at the mid to long term and I believe that once we get out of the anti-democratic, bureaucratic tyranny known as the EU and make trade deals with the countries already queuing up, we'll be much better off.

@thelostprophet Trade deals with the countries queuing up? Well I'm sure they are, they can get deals far more one sided and beneficial to themselves dealing with a smallish country with so few negotiators we are now recruiting them from abroad than with a massive union of 500+ million people.

At least Cameron won't be in charge, his ineptitude at negotiating and foreign affairs was one of the problems that got us into this mess in the first place

'@thelostprophet'
The countries queuing up to make trade deals are doing so because you forced them to change the trade deals they already had through the EU.
Meaning they are not new people, and they are not happy people. And what Anglophone value you had as an entry point to the EU has been severely sexual intercourseed. Are you seriously that deep into the tea/koolaid that you think these are just random trade deals popping up...because these companies and countries just love England so much? My god.

@sagas
Well, technically Britain is going to get new trade deals out of this... with companies like Vodafone if they move their headquarters out of the country. ^^'

@thelostprophet Economic turmoil at the moment will be nothing compared to when Scotland and NI vote to break away from the UK because of being force out of the EU against their will.

@Lambert2191 It doesn't look like any politician wants to invoke Article 50. So it might happen that the non-binding referendum shook up the markets but in the end, the UK will remain in the EU.

@kerisif The new PM has said that Brexit means Brexit, which is great, even though she supported remain she will adhere to the will of the people, as a democracy should.

@Lambert2191 I think what you guys did was great..

Even if the UK end up not actually leaving the EU, they have to realize now, that they can't do whatever they please - they will have to listen to the people..
For the Times They Are A-Changin’!

@SkipperDK
Well, if they do start to listen to the people more hopefully the first thing that'll happen is TTIP getting kicked all the way back to where it came from. The ones responsible don't even have to try hard to find good arguments for it because as it stands at the moment they wouldn't have to give a buck about what the general populace thinks of it. Heck, even the national politicians are barely allowed to look at it for five minutes much less do anything.

@Lambert2191 Aye, your country. Four countries voted in this, two for and two against. As you have the most people you royally fucked NI and Scotland. Thanks pal, it was always all about England, as per usual.

@Tumblerose If two countries voted for, two voted against, then shouldn't the largest population effected be the deciding factor?

@Tumblerose the majority of people win the vote.... that's how a vote works! And I would kindly request you stop singling out England as the route of all evil!

@Tumblerose Neither of you are fucked, stop naysaying and just try to look at the benefits instead of claiming the world is going to fucking end. This is a GOOD thing for the UK, if you want to fuck off and run back to the EU, you will regret it.

@Lambert2191
Honestly I don't see the advantage of leaving, at best it seems the blame for when things happen that you don't like, is just moved to own politicians rather then EU politicians, the problem as I see it is that EU isn't last I checked what it was established to make trade as one market a lot easier to improve trade and movement amongst the member countries, and thus helping them thrive.

Instead we have gotten the usual political mucky muck, focused on things that 'sound' good, without actually solving anything, and politicians working to improve the standing/look of what they work with, in this case EU. So it circles around EU, rather then the countries it is made off.

Maybe I am just overly optimistic, that such would actually be possible with current political climate.

@xondk "Honestly I don't see the advantage of leaving" Not really been looking very hard or only looking at incredibly biased sources?

As for benefits, being able to make our own trade deals with the entire world, being able to control immigration (before you call me racist as most pro-remainers would, control immigration does not mean NO immigration. It just means we are able to decline entry to criminals and those with a violent history), we won't be pressured into adopting the Euro in 2020 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/.../After-2020-all-EU-members...) and, for me personally, the reason I voted to leave, we won't lose our sovreignty when the EU integrates into being a federal country like the USA, which is the stated aim of one of the fathers of the EU project; Jean Monnet.

@Lambert2191 Sorry for the slow reply.
I've seen searching a bit.
On immigration - I know you are not racists, Denmark has some of the issues as well but - There are still a ton of other laws that are not EU created that gives issues with this, least of all the laws about not being able to send people down to places where they face death and such.
Adoption of Euro : This really is a non worry, they cannot force people to change to Euro unless the people of said countries want it, since the majority of countries have constitutions that say such things need to be chosen by the people, EU can't overrule constitutions last I checked, I really doubt Denmark would adopt it, especially since it doesn't need to be an official currency in countries as long as the country 'can' use euro's for everything, which most can anyway.
EU integration: highly dubious this one will have as much effect as they want.
Remember the UK had a big voice in the EU to get things done, and a lot of things that were done were done with your own politician's support. I'm not saying EU is perfect, it is not by far, it suffers from the same politician idiocy as everything else, but at least by working together maybe the damage can be mitigated a bit, and we could together work towards the goal of what the EU was supposed to be. Currently its just the same old politician playing a game, be it in EU or in countries.

@xondk "the majority of countries have constitutions that say such things need to be chosen by the people, EU can't overrule constitutions last I checked"

Regarding this point, the UK joining the EEC in the first place was in violation of our constiutution, and every single law passed in Brussels that has been implemented in the UK (Over 50,000 between 2010 and 2013) have been in violation of the 1689 Bill of Rights. Fact is, the UKs membership of the EU has been illegal for decades.

@Lambert2191 Round 'bout the time Scotland and Northern Ireland jump ship with our inevitable independence referendums, you'll realize just how much your choice will cost you.

@Scarab It's incredibly ironic that the Scots especially want their independence from the UK, only to surrender it straight back to the EU right after that.

I give it two weeks before everything's back on the right track. We're talking about the country that was the number one economic force in the EU now free to trade with countries like China, India, and the USA. Yes, they were not allowed to trade with three of the most powerful economic forces on the planet and now they are. And now they also have control over their own country instead of answering to an overseas dictatorship.

Nothing ever killed a country in a week.

@Theomniadept
Of course it won't kill us in a week. We've not even triggered article 50 yet and then we'll still have two years to get out. That's when the economy will really start to take a shit turn.

And we were free to trade with China, India and the USA before. The EU just put trade regulations with them. Cutting off from the single market, which accounts for something like 50% of our trade, in order to remove those few little regulations seems fucking stupid to me.

Also: we don't have any more control over our own country as we did before. Only 10-15% of our laws were influenced by the EU, and mostly due to regulations that augmented safety, consumer protection and human and animal rights. Now, they'll be 100% decided by our government... including the House of Lords which is made up of over 800 completely unelected members, and the Queen, who happened to plop out of the correct vagina. Oh yeah, and no more regulations to keep us safe from a government that is intent on screwing us over

@Iateapenguin Precisely. And if the Brits still want to sell their goods in the EU (which they will), they will be subject to existing and future EU regulations, the only difference being that the Brits will have absolutely no say as to what these regulations entail.

@MikeJ
Yup - and what's more, we'd have to agree to freedom of movement, which would anger the fuck out of many Brexit voters.

@MikeJ the've never had, even with a veto vote, they got circumvented

@Theomniadept - While it is true that no single event will cause a nation to collapse, the UK has been failing for a long time. This is just another step down from it's former status as an empire.

@Theomniadept Well, the UK wasn't the number one economic force in the EU, it was the second. Germany has a larger economy. Along with that, 48% of British trade was within the EU and a lot of our trade deals were set up through the EU. As it stands, we have now separated ourselves from a group of nations which as a group gave the members a lot more international power.

As for an "Overseas Dictatorship", I'd say that the European Parliament, for which the MEPs are voted in by proportional representation is far from a dictatorship. Particularly considering the fact that within Britain we have the House of Lords, who are completely unelected and actually number more in total than the MEPs. If the British wanted control of their country, we should have done some internal reform of our election system and gotten rid of the House of Lords, rather than leaving the EU.

Now the British need to deal with writing up new trade deals with a large part of the world, including the EU, and with the fact that our government will find it a lot easier to screw over the people, which they've already been having a nice time with over the last year. It won't kill us in a week, but it'll fuck us over in the long term.

@Pancoleon This is the most well thought out thing I have read in this comment section. Very well put.

@Pancoleon

Strange that you compare the House of Lords to the European Parliament when the European Commission exists. Seems more sensible to compare like for like.

The House of Commons and European Parliament are both forms of proportional representation based on direct votes of the population. (MEPs marginally less directly so, due to differences in election proceedures between EU member states)

Whilst the House of Lords and European Commission are both (somewhat indirectly) appointed by the elected representatives of the House of Commons or European Parliament and thereafter cannot be dismissed except by one of their own peers. Sure the same arguments against the EC are largely applicable to the House of Lords, but the ongoing debate about UK electoral reform and the House of Lords doesn't preclude applying those same ideals elsewhere in the meantime.

And yep, a large number of trade deals that previously had to be routed through EU will have to be rewritten, but that was largely the point. They can be rewritten more specifically to the needs of the British markets rather than the messy opposing mix of needs that make up the gross EU market, whether that benefits more or less than the added bargaining power of the EU is yet to be seen, but to claim that it's definitely a negative is overreaching at this point.

Likewise, British imports from the EU exceeded British exports to the EU by £34 billion in the first quarter of 2016. Therefore any impediments or delays in continuing UK/EU trade is going to leave EU citizens more out of pocket than UK ones, that's a sizable incentive and bargaining chip in the UK's favour when that negotiation begins.

And finally, the idea that a government supported by an outside union is somehow less able to resist the will of its people than an independent one is patently false. A government can be denied it's power by the concerted will of the people governed, but if it's able to call on outside resources it can still use that power, be it financial, political or physical to quash the interests of the people for its own, and those of it's sponsor. The third world is unfortunately rife with history of brutal dictators and puppet governments formed on that very principle and it's why colonialism is now a dirty word rather than something to aspire to. The British government isn't inherently more, or less, corruptible than the EU, but there's a whole lot more the British people can do to fix the British government than they can the EU.

why is it England that is in Flame, it is EU that is going down.
Don't forget how it works. It is the EU that needs the UK, the UK does NOT need the EU, (in fact no one does)

@rphb Eh, at the moment Britain is more in flames than the EU. Both of the major parties have been self-destructing in the wake of the result, it turns out that nobody actually had a plan for Brexit (the pro-Leavers thought that was David Cameron's job, David Cameron thought it should be up to the people who actually wanted to leave), parts of the Union have been making noises about preferring to be in the EU than the UK if it came down to it, and the UK's been getting more of the backlash.

Now, in the long run, it might be that the UK's flames will be like the fire that rages through a eucalyptus forest without causing lasting harm to the trees while the EU's flames are the smouldering coals that eventually bring the whole house down. For the moment, though, the cartoon seems accurate.

@rphb Britain has quite a few debts in the EU from being loaned money from the EU, if I were the EU I'd probably pressure the UK to pay up seeing as they're no longer a part of the EU, and a lot of countries need the EU, not to mention that it adds a lot of stability, the UK is not as big as it used to be, it makes immigration and emigration easier, they have the euro which allows for easier money flow and centralized banking as well as a common coin. Also they serve as back up for wars given the opportunity... Although lets be honest they like to stay out of it a lot to avoid additional economic struggle in the countries that already have it (cough, Uk, cough, cough, massive debt, cough, cough, you guys made a lot of enemies, cough, cough, imperialism, cough, cough)

@MrSWofTheAnnoying
UK doesn't use Euro, so that is not really an issue with them, everyone's always had to deal with pounds in the UK. Other than that, yeah, EU has a lot of benefits for the British even if it has its drawbacks as well.

@rphb Uhm, the rest of EU is doing alright. I mean it is a great loss but my actual super freak-out would be if Germany left, now THAT would crash the EU.

@Keasar Don't worry, that's highly unlikely. Nationalism is not exactly a popular attitude over here.

@Linera I know, I am not worried about that happening. :P

I was just saying that IF it for some reason happened, THEN I would definitely be afraid about the state of the EU compared to England leaving, if they go through with it in the end.

@rphb

In which way does the EU needs the UK?
I mean, they did't pull their weight since Thatcher, at least!
Minor contribution, minor loss, i'd say ...

@rphb maybe you could make the argument, counter to the obvious meaning, that England being used to being on fire is showing that England is gonna be fine...? I dunno, I don't know enough about the situation to make a proper judgement.

The EU will fall and Britain is going to be okay if you guy's would do any reaserch on the EU you would be pro Brexit

@DaZeR Well people have different political points of views so... yeah...

@DaZeR My.... It seems that the Leave people aren't taking into account immigration economy. Difficulting the flow of any type of economy is bad for the nation, hence why Britain won't do very well, especially that (seeing that _if_ you manage to get everything back in course or even better as some proclaim) kind of economy. Immigrants are essentially investment from other countries, if you make it more difficult to become a permanent resident or a UK citizen, you're making not only the resource investment (this investment being people of different qualifications, usually people who know several languages mind you, or will learn after a few months there) but also the acquisition of these investments as Britain's (ie having them become completely BRITISH and therefor have all of the same taxes as the rest of Britain and most of their spending happening inside) much, MUCH more difficult for England....
That's without mentioning the period of instability which will screw people over in the hundreds if not thousands... Plus all the paperwork and shiz

@MrSWofTheAnnoying The problem lies when the immiigrants doesn't want to assimilate, but want theiir own laws instead. What do you do then?

@DaZeR As I recall from American History class, there were a lot of people in Virginia and North Carolina saying more or less the same thing about 156 years ago.

@ShoggothOnTheRoof PFFF XD I hope it doesn't come down to THAT.

@Leviathantamer Seems unlikely, but then people weren't expecting the Leave side to win, either.

@DaZeR
Top fucking lols mate, as a Brit myself I did several months' worth of research on the subject, and I ended up an adamant Remain voter.

In full irony, Brexiters are adamantly opposed to Scottish independence. Nationalism is great for the English, but not the Scots or Irish, according to UKIP.

Well, we're gearing up to bail on the UK (and depending on how the economy goes, Wales may be joining us). Once we assert our maritime sovereignty, the oil is ours, and while it's undervalued right now (thanks OPEC) it has nowhere to go but up.

The last vestiges of the old empire are falling fast, and the wound was entirely self inflicted. Well done, I hope you are proud as hell.

@Scarab As Someone who recently found out to be Irish.. I think indepence is really good! and you should come back into EU, so I can live with my Family in ireland!

'@Queran'
Ireland is already in the EU, and has been an independent country since 1921. The Republic of Ireland.
There is a chunk of that island though that is part of the United Kingdom country, called "Northern Ireland".
The "Ireland" and "Irish" in question being talked about by anyone in regards to the Brexit... is Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland.
Though it's not impossible any Irish ancestry you have is from Northern Ireland I suppose.

@sagas Sorry.. was talking about the Northern ireland part^^

@Scarab A thing I hate about my fellow Scots is this us v them mentality with England, my family voted leave Scotland and England are the original Great Britain and I am proud to be British not just Scottish , but each too their own pal =)

'@Weimar1873'
The original Great Britain, as opposed to....?

@sagas As opposed to the celtic empire of the native brits who ruled before the german invasion in response to the loss of roman dominance of the isle. The modern day welsh, from whom king arthur was born and raised! Merlin is a bit more mysterious but arthur is totally of welsh origin.

But in all seriousness, scots opinion should matter far more than england. Dont forget, the scottish queen inherited england when the english royal family died off. England is a scottish subject. Long way from the days the frenchman known as richard the lionheart used england as a piggybank for his own glorious crusades in the name of france god and glory.

'@Soulbourne'
What Scottish Queen are you talking about?

@Scarab
How would you pay for it? I know money is a harsh question and considered scare mongering and I don't ask it as a threat, but as a genuine concern. The oil you have gives you a great income but its not enough given that the uks economy is worth in the trillions and Scotland's is in the billions, which sounds ok, but you'd have to survive the drop between the two. Plus the EU hasn't made you an offer and some countries have already said no to Scotland which shows no sign of changing. Then with no funding from the UK (we'll have our own problems to deal with) or the EU. Would you be financially stable? If you were to collapse (worst case scenario) the only way to recover would be for England to bail you out like Germany had to for Greece, which would make you England part 2 which 100% NOT what any of the Scots want and as the Tax payer in England would have to payout for it for long time we wouldn't be behind it either. If Scotland left its true the UK would loose a huge part of itself, and billions of pounds. But we'd still have trillions and we would defiantly survive it. Would you? If you want to leave, then the attitude I've seen from the area I live in is mostly, fine, go and good luck to you!

I noticed that the left has started to really love the EU when it started to look more and more like the soviet union

@Juhani
Could you perhaps elaborate on how it has been looking more and more like the Soviet Union? Have the recipes for bakeries in small towns been given to them directly from paper pushers in Brussels? Have dissidents been sent into labor camps in Lapland for the crime of making fun of commissioners? Are French paratroopers currently taking over British government buildings while some 500,000 German and Dutch troops with tanks are massing on the shores of the English Channel? Because those are the kinds of things Soviet Union used to do. Mere increase in centralized decision making, bureaucracy and regulation is not particular to the Soviet Union.

@Vilkku92
No it doesn't do as the old soviet union, but they are scary close.
Take the recent 'hate-speach' deal between EU and Facebook, Twitter, (instagram?) and YouTube.
And what correlates as hate-speech exactly?

If your answer were "speech that hurts" you'd be correct, and somethimes, or more correct; most of the time, that is dissending oppinion.
"I dissagree", "what you said suck" and so on.
Tje soviet union didn't like people speaking negatively about them, it seems the same goes for EU.

"Hate-Speech" is subjectiv and the eu can use it anyhow they see fit, and no-one can complain... "It is hate speech after all" according to EU.

Then you have the way it handles Greece, the people didn't like the deal and wanted tje goverment to change it, EU said no and fucked them over.
Then you have Italy which is more or less a province.... Since tjete is no elected offical by the people.

Then there is plan for a super state.
An Army
They already have a border (schengen area), national anthem (a Bethoven work), coin (euro), Central bank..... Yeah..... Do you get the Picture?

@RevanNonaka
Many European countries already have hate speech laws, so no EU is needed. Also, those laws are aimed against racists, neonazis and the like, which should give you an idea as to what they mean by hate speech. As far as I'm aware those laws have not been enforced all that vigorously and there haven't been many convictions on grounds of hate speech. Also, would people actually go to jail for dissenting opinions? Because in Soviet Union they would go to jail. In Europe, I could easily see them survive with fines.

Here is how it happened with Greece: EU and the Greek government make a deal. The Greek decide they don't like the deal and threaten to change the deal. EU says that if Greece doesn't hold their end of the deal EU isn't going to hold its own end of the deal. Since this means EU is not going to give Greece the money it promised because Greece is not going to do the reforms and budget cuts it promised, Greece is fucked because they actually need the money EU promised them, so they decide to do as EU wishes. EU did not threaten to invade Greece to install an EU-friendly government unless the Greek government makes it populace fall in line, which is something Soviet Union would have done.

"Then there is plan for a super state.
An Army
They already have a border (schengen area), national anthem (a Bethoven work), coin (euro), Central bank..... Yeah..... Do you get the Picture?"

Yes, they are trying to make EU more and more like a federation. Soviet Union is not synonymous with federation, even if it was a federation. Federalization and centralization are not unique to the Soviet Union, unless the United States of America, Switzerland, Germany and Canada are also considered to be like the Soviet Union. Since I'm quite certain no one is trying to call USA the Soviet Union, so why should the developments in the EU be equated with the Soviet Union but not the USA?

@Vilkku92 the laws about hate speech can be used against anyone and not just the intended target.
https://youtu.be/WUmN80JB8cA

And thats an example in germany.

There's is a fundamental difference between USA and EU, the us constitusion.
It has fourteen special laws in place, though I cannot name hhem all (and can be wrong at the number as well).
1. Any person are protected by law to say ANYthing they wish, whethever good or bad.
2. Every citicen has the right to bear arms, as long as it can't be proven that it's a risk to the publick. (mental illnes, severe ptsd and so on).

I forgott the third one and don't know the rest. (Anny amerikans wanna help out?)

The first amendment in the constetusion is the main fockus here though, because It is the one that PROTECTS the freedom of speech. And why US. will not be looked at as tge soviet union. That amendment must be recinded before it can be.
EU on the other hand (and countries whitin) passes, as you said, laws that prevents hate speech.
Well, take sweden for example: iø
Sweden is the rape capital of the west, because the immigrant comming in, and the most likely to rape are statisticly the muslims.
So saying that in sweden, and a muslim hears you, they report it to the police and suddenly you're a nazi and can serve up to 5 years in prisson, because you said something that is true. Or you could say something else that otherrs 'feel' threathened about and you get the same fate. This allow the rapist to rape freely because they are protected by law.
Interesting, is it not?
The video provided are about germany. I guess they desided to jump 55 yrars to the past, whit a twist though.
And that's why EU and Soviet Union are so alike.
'say what you want, but if we/other people do not like it, you get arrested' or simmilar.
Heck, a comedian made fun of turkeys minister, and Merkel alows for arrest of the comedian. Yeah... I'll jump to switserland if Norway gets under EU. Or begginnig a rebel group or something like that.

@RevanNonaka

First of all, the EU also has laws regarding free speech, just as the US has laws regarding hate speech. They're basically exactly the same. Certain countries within the EU (like Germany) have additional clauses concerning what is protected by free speech and what is regarded as hate speech. This would not change regardless of whether they were in the EU or not.

Second; the second amendment were written back when the best weapon you could get was a single-shot rifle that took a minute to reload. They're not really applicable to modern fully automatic rifles and are a direct cause to the prevalence of guns and gun-related violence in the US.

Third, Sweden is not hte rape capital of the west. That is xenophobic propaganda created by people who do not understand statistics. Sweden has the largest number of REPORTED sexual assults in the world, for a few reasons.

Each country determines what is regarded as sexual assault themselves. Sweden has the broadest definition by far and also amongst the strongest protection of victims of sexual assaults, which makes more people willing to report.

Compare this to Saudi Arabia, which have some of the most oppressive laws against the freedom of women in the world. The victim of an assault may even get thrown in to jail or worse for simply reporting sexual assault.

For the record, the same statistics that shows Sweden in the top shows that Saudi Arabia (along with a few other oppressive regimes where women are considered cattle more than people) have 0 sexual assaults reported. So yeah, the statistics does not reflect reality.

"So saying that in sweden, and a muslim hears you, they report it to the police and suddenly you're a nazi and can serve up to 5 years in prisson, because you said something that is true. Or you could say something else that otherrs 'feel' threathened about and you get the same fate. This allow the rapist to rape freely because they are protected by law. "

^ This is just pure fantasy. All people, regardless of faith are bound by the same laws.

Also, nothing you said makes the EU and the Soviet Union even remotely alike each other. I can only conclude that you know nothing about neither the EU or the Soviet Union.

@Raptorfeet Right, well, for the first part, I know someone who is living in Sweden, and they pointed it out that you gotta wach your speech or be branded a nazi and thrown in jail.
What Germany is doing is trampling on the free speech because hate speech, there should only be one speech over all. However, I know there are some speech wich is harmfull (isis recruitment, caljoning into watever harmfull things) so watching out and teach about that should be something.
Nothinghamsire passed a law lately, what you think about that?

Back to sweden:
I can understand that sweden has broader deffenition of rape, but actuall rape statistics are high, and shows that immigrants is the bigger part of it, and most of them is from islamic countries.

And saying:
"This is just pure fantasy. All people, regardless of faith are bound by the same laws."

Is idealistic right, but wrong.
Muslims tends to use sharia law, AND prefer it over the western law system.
It is showcased, ironicly, best in England, were they go to the mosk in favour of the police, when it comes to crime inbetween themselves.

@Juhani

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish

I find shameful that medias in Europe persist to show Brexit like an absolute disaster. That's not as if british people voted without worrying about consequences. There are a lot of arguments in favor of "leave", whatever "remainers" think. Then traders completely panic and play with money in the stock exchanges even more than usually. People are terrified by Scotland and Northern Ireland threat to leave the UK, but what's the problem ? There will be 3 countries instead of a single one, nobody will be killed by a separation. That's just a new beginning for UK, nothing more. The most important is that british people have not any advantage in staying in the EU, their decision makes sense.

Sincerely I completely agree with those that voted "leave".

@Ynk So... you think access to the common market is not an advantage?

@MikeJ No, I think there's no need of a bureaucracy this complicated to participate in a common market.

'@Ynk'
It's almost like a country breaking down into different parts shrinks its economy. When the Leave people were basing this whole Leave thing on some restored national glory and economic freedom...and they get a dis-United Kingdom and shrunken economy to boot. Well gosh. That sucks for them.

And actually people could literally be killed by Northern Ireland's political status being thrown to the wind. The Protestants and Catholic political parties are on opposite sides of the Brexit vote. Do I have to explain the implications of that?

"That's just a new beginning for UK, nothing more."

You do realize its called the UK for a reason right? If Scotland and Northern Ireland leave it wont be the United Kingdom anymore. It will be England (and Wales).

@sagas "You do realize its called the UK for a reason right?". Of course I realize. I just called it UK because I didn't know what name to put instead and "England and Wales" seemed too long.

And yes, of course I know the part of the UK history about protestants and catholics, but it's their duty to be able to draw new boundaries without trying to kill anybody.

@sagas Per capita, smaller coutries usually have a larger economy than their larger neighbours, so spliting is good for individuals, even though the political class hate it as it gives them less power

'@subtilior'
That's not how it works lol. You don't simply gain more per person by having a small population. Your mistaking correlation for causation here.
Economic output is the actual factor, the same size economic output in a more populated country has more people to go back to yes, and a smaller population with the same size economy would be hypothetically seeing more return per capita yes.
Now if you could somehow demonstrate how the loss of Scotland and NI means England/Wales would have an economy that outsizes its population in a more positive proportional way than congratulations EnglandWales will benefit.
But its far more likely to not. Because "usually" is not at all true. The "usual" examples you're thinking of are microstates in Europe that have since long ago based their economies on being off shore and tax evasionish themed playgrounds for the continent's rich. Or their places like Brunei and Bahrain which have black gold. Or Singapore with some of the earth's best shipping lane real estate.
But examples of what we're looking for? Of Larger countries losing peripheral territories? Rarely do we see bright stars emerging from such pictures.

@Ynk
As an American I really know very little about Brexit compared to most, but..."I find shameful that medias in Europe persist to show Brexit like an absolute disaster. That's not as if british people voted without worrying about consequences." Are you sure about that statement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm65e526dOE (Skip to 3:55)

@Willowthecollie https://medium.com/@dannypage/stop-using-google-trends-a5014dd32588#.gsed2xvp5

Essentially, "What is the EU?" shot up proportionately a large amount, from almost nothing, to slightly more than almost nothing. More informed search terms massively dwarfed it throughout the referendum period, but a few weasely phrasings ignored that.

Also bear in mind that despite a record turnout, a little under 30% of the population didn't vote in the refferendum. Those ~1000 google searches could quite easily all be from >17million group of people who abstained from voting, concerned by the swell of panic following the results.

@Willowthecollie To be honest, I wonder if "What's the EU ?" have been asked by remainers or leavers. I could say remainers don't know why to stay in the EU, then they sought for EU signification and usefulness AFTER voting. Well, in fact I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but if I were you, I would be suspicious about HBO

@Ynk
"There will be 3 countries instead of a single on"
...
Well I bloody hope not.
I mean I know this decision was a shot in our own foot for Wales, but I was honestly hoping it wouldn't end with a shot in the head as well.
Unless your talking about a United Kingdom of Wales and England...which would still be really awful for us....

@gota I don't know much about Wales facts, so it'd be nice if you could tell me why a UK partition would be a problem at this point

@Ynk
Wales received a lot of funding from the UK, likely more than it gave in. We were still the poorest country in the UK but we received grants helped regional development and job creation. It wasn't enough but it was there. Without the EU we are now dependant on the kindness of the Westminster government, which has historically never given a toss about this country. That's includes the time when we've not been facing a recession. Even if they had the money we likely wouldn't see it.
The EU was also one of the few global platforms on which Wales could represent itself as a region. Like you've said, you don't know much about Wales. Now we face further obscurity, if that were even possible.

I don't know how we're going to survive this.

@gota So you tell me it's a matter of poverty ? What about leaving the UK ? You talk like Wales must be as dependent as possible on England (to "survive" this ? WTF ??!). The industrial recession is done now, Wales won't always be on recession, isn't it time to take charge of your own future ? Or to be part of the "reduced UK" but with a larger autonomy ?

@Ynk As a brit i err... i have to disagree to be honest. If the consequences had been worried about we wouldn't have our entire political class in shambles right now. If consequences had considered, many 'leave' voters, would not have voted leave. Comments sections on sites like the daily mail or the sun with 'so remain were telling the truth' are both extremely depressing but also a little pearl of schadenfreude. You clearly know nothing of the UK if you think the possibility of an irish reunification won't end in anyone killed. Nor have you seen the huge rise in xenophobic hate crimes the country has had recently.

There are a lot of arguments in favour of leave, but those were not the arguments that were put forward. Hell if i hadn't been goddamn certain that the wave of nationalistic violence would happen i probably wouldn't have been so staunchly on the remain side. As it stands i just prefer it when people aren't beaten or abused for traits they can't change about themselves.

Do a comic about Iceland in Euro 2016 next week then. I think many users would like to see such one.

@EricTheRedAndWhite congrats, dear sir, for being the only one on this comment page (at least so far) to not have a down vote.

I AM JUST WAITING FOR A COMIC ABOUT ICELAND AND THE EURO2016

@AngryMetalhead The Euro16 is full of material. The new system and all the problems that come with it. Icelands game agianst England, ALL of it, including the awesome cheer afterwards. Portugal cheating itself through the turnament with amazing underperformance. The crazy hard right side of the knock-out rounds: Round of 16 Spain v Italy, Quarterfinal Italy v Germany, Semifinal Germany v France.
Then there's the amazing stuff that happend on the field. I mean, Germany v Italy alone gave us: Boateng's unessecary handplay that was instantly memefied, Italy's amazing goalline safe and a penality shootout with 18 shots. And that's just one game.

@AngryMetalhead unfortunately for you iceland got eliminated already so a comic is unlikely

@AngryMetalhead
I think we all want to see a bunch of cheery vikings storming the playing field with shield and sword. XD

'@RiverRoad'
England: I can't stand having anyone else control my borders, I'd never normally just let foreigners rush on by me!
*whole team of Icelandic soccer players zooms by*

@AngryMetalhead Not just Iceland, but also Wales doing well.