Coping Mechanisms

Did you know;
That it is still on the Statue Books Of law in Yorkshire (UK).
For a Native Man of the City of York (UK) can still shot a Rampaging Scotsman, with a long bow.
If:
The arrow must be tipped with a metal “bodkin” head.
The Scotsman is in a kilt and has a sword drawn.




But sadly, if you do, current law will have you arrested and charged with murder.

Oh well.

@The_Yellow_Ardvark
I live in Yorkshire and did not know this. Ironically, I also do archery

Scotland is vikings?

@RusA #9856604
If u want to reply, please move to this one. I can't find and edit my old comments anymore there

Thanks, it was getting a little wild and woolly over there, wasn't it? Maybe we can keep things in a slightly more logical order over here. Let's see if I can catch up:

#9856586 U remind me of the JFK case, why it took so long to end his case ?

The JFK case was closed decades ago: Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, the way nearly all assassins of our presidents have, and the Russians, the Mafia, the CIA, Vice President Johnson, the Cigarette Smoking Man, or space aliens were not involved. Every so often, new information is released on the case, but none of it has ever changed that conclusion. Proponents of alternate hypotheses always point to information about the case that has not been released to the public, and assume that there's some kind of important revelation that THEY don't want us to see; but documents get classified for all kinds of reasons, and I have serious doubts that after all these years, whatever is left to be released will change what we know already.

#9856600 BTW... Oh My Kim Jong Un the New God!!! Aliens were here too

They're everywhere, aren't they? I don't know anything about that site in West Java, but the report looks typical of History Channel's archaeological ideas: find an intriguing site, make up stories about space aliens and/or lost civilizations to explain it, pick and choose evidence that supports your stories, and drag in irrelevant ideas from crackpot writers from 100 years ago, then pitch it to the History Channel for a series.

The whole thing falls apart for me when they try to support their ideas by bring up the theories of the early-20th-century kook James Churchward about the Lost Continent of Mu in the South Pacific. Fun Fact: James Churchward's great-grandson, Jack Churchward, started a blog many years ago to examine the writings of his ancestor, to see what truths might lie behind them. It didn't take him long to conclude that the elder Churchward made the whole thing up, but he continues to write about how those writings have affected modern writers, as well as presenting little-known aspects of Churchward's character, such as his oil paintings and his early career as a tea-planter in India and Ceylon.

#9856596
i hope this video will help u about the table manner, in case the Queen invites u someday for some afternoon tea, don't forget about your little finger when u take the cup

I've actually been to British-style afternoon teas, which are rather popular in upscale hotel restaurants around here, tiered tea stand and all, so I'm sort of familiar with proper behavior. And yes, this Beast can act like a proper gentleman when he has a darn good reason to. And I do pronounce "scone" to rhyme with "dawn", and not with "bone". I ask for a "skawn" at Starbucks and they say, "A what? Oh, you mean a skohn!"

#9856578
Oh... I love the queen Elizabeth II, she's a very strong woman, she serve in military, and until today, she still not afraid to drive her own car, and her age already 90 something, was she ever sick or something? She really good playing her roll as a Queen of England from her young age till today, it's a lifetime job

She's had some health problems lately, and has been letting Prince Charles take up a lot of the duties that she herself used to carry out, but it is amazing that she's been hanging in there as well as she has. I've heard that the Royal Family is big into alternative medicine like homeopathy, but I imagine being worth £300 million can buy you a whole lot of whatever kind of health care you might want.

The Monarch can abdicate the throne in favor of whoever is the heir apparent, any time he or she wants to. Some Britons have thought that Elizabeth, because of her age, ought to abdicate in favor of Charles; others think she should maintain her position, but that Charles, when he becomes King, should abdicate immediately in favor of William. But the Queen isn't going anywhere any time soon, and Charles has loudly insisted that he won't abdicate; and besides, William says he doesn't want to become King right away - he's more interested in family life and raising his children for the time being. So we'll just have to wait and see how soon we get a King William V.

@uktana Ow... Thanx
WHAT? the Cigarette Smoking Man and Aliens weren't involved

Yeah... I never seen and heard about that old sites in West Java before i found that video, and when i read the comments section, some Indonesian wrote that it just old temple build by our ancestor, and westerner see as the Aliens things, maybe same as if we see "Durian" as ordinary fruit, then westerner will see it as an Alien's fruit
So... That Mu continent just a joke

Oh... So u ready if the Queen invites u to her afternoon tea yeah... There's some course about table manner in some hotel and culinary academy in here too, but since think that my chance
to meet the Queen will be just 0.000000001℅ then i don't want to know which spoon for soup or how to stir my tea properly

@RusA #9856612
westerner see as the Aliens things, maybe same as if we see "Durian" as ordinary fruit, then westerner will see it as an Alien's fruit

From what I've heard of durian, it sounds like it might have originated on another planet.

Speaking of aliens among us - one of the weird ideas going around the interwebs these days is that octopuses must have come from another planet, because unlike the rest of us, they have eight legs, nine brains, three hearts, and blue blood, plus the beak is the only solid thing on them, and they can squeeze themselves through any opening that they can get that part through. They're intelligent, and their eye structure is more complex than ours, including having no blind spot. Also, they can hide by changing their color to match the background. Sounds like an alien creature to me!

Actually, they have one main brain and eight smaller ones, one for each limb, each of which moves independently. The blood is blue because it's copper-based rather than iron-based like ours (just like Mr. Spock, except that his blood is green ). It has one heart for general circulation and two for the gills, because copper-based blood carries less oxygen and has to be pumped under higher pressure. Tarantulas, scorpions, and horseshoe crabs also have this kind of blood, so they must also originate on another planet as well.

@uktana #9856625 oh...yeah it's in our folklore, that once upon a time in Majapahit kingdom, the Aliens from Mars gave the spikey fruits coz it's thorn surounding the fruits or in Indonesian "Duri". so... the Gajah Mada or the famous Elephant general of Majapahit named that fruit "Durian"
Oh... Really, Octopus is an weirdo aliens animals, maybe that's why it's so yummy but not the one in that Korean restaurant that zombie octopus, that the true octopus aliens

@RusA #9856625 Of course, we know that the reason Mars is an uninhabited wasteland today, is that several centuries ago the Martians were using so much land to grow durian to sell to the Majapahit, that they totally ruined their ecology, and didn't realize it until it was too late.

Speaking of octopus: I'll never forget the scene from an episode of Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations where he's in a Korean restaurant in one of the outer boroughs of NYC, and he and his Korean friend are served an octopus that is still wiggling. Bourdain says, "Now just to be sure that we don't get emails and letters from animal rights groups - this thing is dead, right?" Korean guy: "Oh, yes, it's dead." Bourdain: "It's just too dumb to know it."

For my part, I love octopus simmered in tomato sauce and served over pasta, but I always use the kind that comes in little tin cans. I've never tried to tackle a fresh one for myself.

@uktana #9856654 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k_7lo61DkBM&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5B4bg9CEnQo7nxCilT-oeOo&index=4 yeah... And the historian in Majapahit era forgot to write about Aliens from Mars, coz the aliens won't to be mention in our history books, they afraid that human in the future will come to find them in Mars, and then kill them, and then built some hotel and resident, golf place, shop, factory, space ship pollution, and many-many bad things on earth, that they really afraid of
Oh... Yeah... The zombie octopus already dead, we all believe that *wink-wink
Oh... I love octopus in Japanese food, Indonesian food, or with the pasta

@RusA #9856654

they afraid that human in the future will come to find them in Mars, and then kill them, and then built some hotel and resident, golf place, shop, factory, space ship pollution, and many-many bad things on earth, that they really afraid of

Back in the Fifties, the scifi author Ray Bradbury put a bunch of his short stories set on Mars into a volume called The Martian Chronicles. It started with explorations by Earth astronauts that antagonized the native Martians; but then the Martians got wiped out by the chickenpox virus carried by one of the expeditions that they had no immunity to; then more and more Earthlings settled on Mars as things got worse on Earth; then finally, Earth went into a dark age because of a nuclear war, and the settlers on Mars were cut off from travel or communication, and they ultimately realized that now they were the Martians. The natives were afraid that the Earth expeditions would bring just the sort of thing you said, but they never got a fair chance to fight back.

@uktana #9856680 really? I was just made up that story, now i really want to write the story about the aliens from Mars who came to Majapahit. I meant like maybe Mars used to be a green planet with full of Durian, it's like when earth used to be a place for T-rex, now... can u find that T-rex? No, right? but not the one in museum

@RusA Yeah, maybe one of the Mars explorers will find fossilized durians when they start digging down deep.

@uktana #9856705 Pssssttt.... It's a secret, please...never tell anyone about that, specially NASA

@uktana BTW the fish also kinda scarry https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W4fHBVoP4hM
I'm not a fan of fish, first coz it's bones, and then i once had that kind of fish when my mom asked me to rinse fish, the head already gone but the body still move, i must to pray for the fish to rest in peace , and then the body stop moving. I love seafoods like shrimp, squid, octopus, oyester, clamps, crab, but not the fish, maybe the sardin in the can with the tomatoe souces still ok

@uktana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7DtEde18_f4
Another zombie fish

@RusA #9856672 #9856673

I'm not sure I'd be able to eat any fish that I saw doing that while it was being prepared.

I usually eat fish on Wednesdays, most of the time it's batter-fried codfish served with tartar sauce or remoulade; or either canned tuna or salmon, made into tuna/salmon salad sandwiches, or mixed with mashed potatoes and made into patties, then fried and served with gravy. I usually have cans of sardines on hand, which I sometimes eat on a slice of bread as a snack.

I buy all my fish in fillets at the grocery store, so I don't have to worry about bones, or worry about it flopping around on the cutting board. I buy the cheap stuff: codfish, shark, flounder, tilapia - maybe fresh salmon for special occasions.

@uktana #9856681 WHAT? U eat shark? That's Kim Jong Un fav. Pets
Yeah... I don't really know many kind of fish, for me all fish tasted all just the same like a "fish", and i never eat fish for my self, i just eat fish when eat with someone, and they order the fish that i didn't really understand if the fish is from the sea(salt water) or river kind of fish. One time after i ate the fish, the bone was stuck in my throat, usually when i eat rice after that the bone will gone, but after i ate lots of rice the bone still stuck on my throat, so i must to find on internet how to get rid that bones, and i found in someone blog that to get rid the bone must eat sponges cake, and then i bought a sponges cake on the mall, and magically the fish's bone was gone...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eyyb490AtJk
Theres also a Japanese rastaurant , they eat sushi when they fish still alive, they said it's still fresh

I don't know how that fish was still alive, i remember the fish that i wash and rinse before i put it in referigerator already headless and all the stomach also already gone, and magically after i pray for that fish to rest in peace, it didn't move anymore

@RusA #9856686
WHAT? U eat shark? That's Kim Jong Un fav. Pets

Sometimes you eat the shark, and sometimes the shark eats you.

It sounds funny to me that you say all fish taste the same to you, because they're all different to me. I eat a lot of ocean fish, but we have plenty of fresh-water fish, too, like carp, trout, and perch. My relatives in Missouri live near a big lake, and they often have catfish and paddlefish (aka "spoonbills"). I don't care for either one, really - catfish is full of bones, and because they're bottom-feeders, they taste like mud. Paddlefish are related to sturgeons, and more distantly to sharks, so they don't have bones, just cartilage skeletons. But they don't have much flavor, either. Paddlefish eggs have gotten popular lately as a fair substitute for sturgeon caviar from Russia, which has gotten hugely expensive since our wildlife agencies don't allow it to be imported anymore.

@uktana Yeah....that what fish lover always said to me, That the fish taste different. Sometimes they said that they don't eat the river fishes, and only eat the sea fishes, which i don't even know which fish live in the ocean, and which live in the river, for me they are live in the water and always taste like a "fish"
Like when someone in Sulawesi island made me try their famous grouper fish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grouper and he said that the fish is an expensive fish in Jakarta, and i just tasted it as a "fish" like other fishes, i just can find the different coz they serve in many souces like Padang souce, or Oyster souce, or if it's raw like if i eat a sushi

@RusA #9856708 I'm a lot the same way about caviar. All the small, gray stuff tastes pretty much the same to me, whether its $24-an-ounce paddlefish caviar from Ohio, or $200-an-ounce Russian sturgeon caviar from the Caspian sea.

On the rare occasions I buy caviar for myself (usually for Easter and Christmas), it's always the relatively cheap salmon caviar or whitefish caviar, which both have a distinct flavor. They also both look nice on top of a hard-boiled egg.

@uktana oh, i never try that expensive caviar, but i saw on youtube how they make it in the Italy farm, they have a team of doctors to USG the eggs inside the fish, and then do an operation to take out the eggs, seems like surgery for human in hospital so highly maintenance, maybe that's why it's so expensive.
I'm also can't taste the good or bad wine, i tried wine from Italy, Australia, and our local wine in Bali, and they just taste like an alcohol to me, i also asked my friends and relatives if they know any difference with the wine, but they didn't know either

@RusA #9856747

I used to drink a fair amount of beer, and I was quite fussy about what kind I would drink. I'm not nearly that fussy about wine, so long as it's a dry red wine. I can tell the difference between one red wine and another, but the price tag is more important to me than how it tastes. It's the hard liquors (scotch, vodka, tequila, etc) that I can't tell the difference between an expensive brand and a cheap one. Truth be told, I don't drink much alcohol at all these days, except for the occasional glass of wine with a meal, and I keep bottles of red wine and sherry in the kitchen, for cooking but not for drinking.

@uktana #9856756 i once told my mom that i accidently drink a vodka in my early 20s, and then my mom told me that it wasn't my first time drink an alcohol, she said that when i was a kid, i used to took a sip of my father beer in the fridge, so my mom told my father that if he didn't keep his beer in a safety place, then his daughter will be a drunken baby

@uktana BTW i find this interisting in my TOEFL book, when i read about the Romulus and Remus, the legendary twin founder of rome, when far back as 700 B.C. peoples have talked about children being cared by wolves. This seemingly preposterous idea didn't become credible until the late nineteenth century when a French doctor actually found a naked 10 year old boy wondering in the woods. He didn't walk, could not speak intelligibly, nor could relate to people. He only groweled and stared at them. Finally, the doctor won the boy's confidence and began to work with him. Hmmm... Seems like Tarzan movie
And in "Stolen Child" novel that i read about Hobgoblin, it also explained about that "Holy Greyhound" in French, when the parents left their sick baby in the woods for help from Saint Guinefort. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Guinefort

@RusA #9856617 Yes, there are lots of stories about children found in the wild, and supposedly raised by animals. They're called "wild children" or "feral children", with "feral" meaning "untamed". The word usually refers to domesticated animals that have gone wild, like dogs, cats, or horses, but is sometimes applied to humans as well.

A lot of these stories turn out to be just that - stories - and others are real, but exaggerated. But there are a few genuine accounts of children abandoned or abused by their parents, who live with animals which apparently accept them as one of their own. The story of Tarzan, who was adopted by apes as a baby, and who as an adult returned to England as Lord Greystoke and lived as a civilized man until he returned to the jungle, isn't at all the way it happens. Typically, the child is old enough to fend for itself - six or eight years old, say; and when such children returned to civilization, they have severe social maladjustments: can't speak, won't walk upright, acts viciously toward other people, doesn't like ordinary food, etc. Here's a pretty thorough article on the subject, which includes accounts of children raised, not only by wolves, but also by dogs, sheep, cattle, and ... ostriches? What? What? Here's an article on that one, which concludes that the story might be based on some real facts, but was elaborated by the person who wrote about it.

I never heard of St. Guinefort, probably for good reason, but in the Russian church there is a saint called St. Christopher the Dog-faced. Strangely enough, there might be something to this one: apparently in some parts of Russia, a genetic abnormality called hypertrichosis - which is the abnormal growth of hair all over the body, giving the appearance of a "wolf-man" - is fairly common. A famous modern example of this was Jo Jo the Dog-Faced Boy, who toured with P. T. Barnam's circus in the late 19th century. It's not impossible that in the distant past, a particularly benevolent and spiritual fellow with this condition was canonized - the Eastern Church has some real doozies in their calendar of saints! He might have been named Christopher, or that might just be a title that means "He Who Carries Christ".

@uktana #9856626 that's what i love when discuss something weird with u, u always bring something more weird than mine the Bear also can take care the human's kid
Ow...that Jo Jo in P.T. Barnum, so... Unique, oh... I also love that music in the movie "The Greatest Show" about P.T. Barnum, but it's all pop music not the classical music

@RusA #9856626
that's what i love when discuss something weird with u, u always bring something more weird than mine

Yes, "high strangeness" is one of my favorite things to read about. I mostly consider myself a centrist, neither left nor right, neither too conventional nor too eccentric; but you don't really know where the center is, unless you have some idea about where the edges are.

@uktana #9856655 i don't really understand about the lefty, centries, or right wings... But someone once called me the lefty coz i was arguing with her about Trump. And i love to read many...many...weird things and believe it just 50/50

@RusA #9856655

The whole right/left thing is confusing even to us, and besides that, it works differently in the U.S. than in most of the world. Elsewhere, the "right" supports a monarchy or authoritarian central government which makes the important decisions, and the "left" supports a system where the people make the decisions through elections and referendums, with more local political control . Since our whole system is "left" by those standards, we divide up over other issues. In the U.S., the Right is generally in favor of a strong business and economic system with minimum government control, letting people free to make as much money as they can and build up their personal wealth, paying as few taxes as possible; and poor people should be helped out by private charities funded out of the pockets of wealthy people. The Left is more focused on equality and opportunity for everyone, focusing especially on certain minority groups which have historically been ignored and left out; and that poor people should be helped through government programs funded by taxes, with the wealthiest people paying the highest taxes. Both sides say that they're working for maximum freedom for all citizens, but it boils down to both of them working to give citizens the freedom to do things their way and no other.

It's much more complicated that that, of course, and every issue and opinion gets sorted these days into "conservative" and "liberal" boxes. Truth be told, the Right is no more interested in "conserving" things than the Left is interested in "liberating" anything, but we're stuck with those words. In the Eighties, most liberal Republicans joined the Democrats, and conservative Democrats joined the Republicans, so there's not much middle ground for compromise any more. And with Trump taking over a large part of the Republican Party and turning it into some kind of radical fringe group that even Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon wouldn't recognize; and with the "progressives" taking over much of the Democratic Party with the idea of "progressing" to a European-style social-democracy; the name-calling just gets worse. If you criticize Trump, you must be some kind of lefty or commie, and if you have doubts about the Progressive agenda, you might as well be working for Hitler.

As for weird things: I'm a true skeptic, in the sense of not taking anything at face value, and insisting that claims should be backed up by good arguments and evidence. The further out the claim is from what is already accepted reality, the stronger the evidence should be for it. As a writer and an artist, of course, everything is food for thought, no matter now far out it might be, but it's a good idea not to believe everything you think.

@uktana #9856683 ow....thanx for the explanation. Yeah... I learn from this sites, it was when Humon posting about Trump as an orange blop, and had an arguments in comic area with Trump's supporters, but coz of my english isn't really good, and they will start to attact my english, then i let that Swedish Nisse_hult do the job

@RusA Yeah, people are like that, they pick on people who speak a second language if they don't speak it perfectly. I would venture to say that those people aren't so great when they try to speak Indonesian.

@uktana Yeah...sometimes they act like a Grammar Nazi, and also correcting my Punctuation, i though it just like when u chat or sms with someone, not like when u want to make a formal report in this site
Only u who never complaining about my english, thanx for that

@RusA #9856709 Well, I was brought up with the idea that it's extremely rude to make fun of someone's accent or use of English, or even to mention such things out unless there's a good reason to. For my part, I mostly only say something if I honestly don't know what the person is trying to say, and so I'll ask them to say it again until I can figure it out. Even then, I feel a bit embarrassed to do that.

I tend to write in a rather formal style, and I even talk that way most of the time, just because I've spent more time in the library reading books than talking to real people. Some people find it annoying, some find it charming, but I don't really care so long as they follow what I'm saying.

@uktana #9856739 oh...you're really nice and so kind, sometimes i feel that u want to correcting mine by use the word again but in very smooth way, but i understand that i spell it wrong
The annoying thing ,also when the Grammar Nazi sometimes they also make a big deal when Humon's typo or just make a small mistake, like this is even a funny comic, and not the formal news

@RusA #9856750 oh...you're really nice and so kind, sometimes i feel that u want to correcting mine by use the word again but in very smooth way, but i understand that i spell it wrong

Well, I don't do that intentionally, but yeah, I do go out of my way to spell things wright rite right. My mother was an English teacher, so we kids couldn't get away with anything like that without hearing about it.

@uktana #9856761 oh... I like your way, very....smart and smooth...

@uktana BTW.... Were my english right with the schools, is it primary school or elementary school? And Junior high school and senior high school coz we used to have class 1,2,3 for junior and also 1,2,3 for senior. But in here they recently change it to 7,8,9th grade for junior and 10,11,12th for senior.

@RusA #9856618 In the U.S., we have preschool for very small children, kindergarten for five-year-olds, then at six they start elementary school, which is more usually called "grade school" - sometimes "primary school", but that's considered a bit formal. Originally, grade school was eight years, then the child started high school, which lasted for four years, so he graduated at age 17 or 18. After graduating from high school, one entered the work force or went to either college or a vocational school (to become a plumber, electrician, or other skilled manual worker).

Over the years, another level of education was added in between, called either "junior high school" or "middle school". It varies from one school system to another, but in the one I went to, grade school was first grade to sixth grade; then middle school for seventh, eighth, and ninth grades; and then three years of high school - tenth, eleventh, and twelfth grade.

@uktana #9856627 ow... Thanx for the explanation
I went to kindergarten since age 3,and since too young to continue to the primary school, then i must to stayed there for 3 years there wasn't preschool at that time.
And today more school have "acceleration class" from primary to high school, so they can go to the university at very young age like 15 or 16, i don't think it's a fun thing.
BTW... U always wrote to stay organized, i'm forget that u're Germans are very organized, it reminds me when i saw "L'Appartement" movie, about a French student that share a room with a German student in university in Barcelona, and they seperate the room with just drawing a line, the French side is so messy and the German side is so.... Organized

@RusA #9856627 I'm not sure if it's the German side interacting with American "casual" habits, but what I do is come up with efficient systems of organizing stuff, and then don't bother to use it to organize stuff. So when I look for something, the first thing I do is look in the place where it's supposed to be, according to my present organizational system, and if it isn't there, then I have to go through the list of where the darn thing might be.

@uktana once again BTW... I don't know that lone ranger theme was also a classical music https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fDsAdl8nJm0

@RusA #9856619 That's great, thanks for sharing. One of the definitions of a sophisticated intellectual is someone who can listen to The William Tell Overture and not think about The Lone Ranger. Also, I would add being able to listen to Rossini's overture to The Barber of Seville without thinking about Bugs Bunny. They mentioned this one in the video you shared, but here's the whole thing in case haven't seen it, or want to see it again.

Another parody of classical music with Bugs and Elmer, and one of my all-time favorite pieces of film of any kind, is "What's Opera, Doc?", a send-up of high opera, with Bugs and Elmer hamming it up to Richard Wagner's music. Just about everyone my age can sing "Kill the Wabbit" to the tune of "Flight of the Valkyries".

@uktana #9856628 ow.... Thanx i didn't know that looney tunes full with the classical musics "Kill the Wabbit"

@RusA #9856628 I was talking to my cousin on the phone about our conversations here about cartoons and classical music, and she reminded me of another Bugs Bunny cartoon called "Long-Haired Hare", where an operatic baritone, being disturbed by Bugs Bunny singing ragtime songs outside his home while he's trying to practice the "Largo al Factotum" from The Barber of Seville, makes the mistake of antagonizing Bugs.

There's one in-joke that might be worth explaining: When Bugs arrives at the singer's Hollywood Bowl concert in a tuxedo top and a hairpiece, and everyone starts whispering: "Leopold! Leopold!", the joke is that everyone thinks he's the orchestral conductor Leopold Stokowski. At the time this cartoon was made (1949), Stokowski was one of the most recognizable figures in classical music.



So, of course the conductor turns over the podium to "Leopold" and lets him get his revenge! Stokowski was famous for his energetic style of conducting, and for not using a baton (the first thing "Leopold" does is break the conductor's baton and throw it away).

BTW, this one was directed by Chuck Jones, who also did "What's Opera, Doc?" and "Rabbit of Seville", and he also did all the early Roadrunner and Coyote cartoons. I'm not sure if there's a joke somewhere in his naming the singer "Giovanni Jones", but I wouldn't put it past him.

@uktana #9856651 ow... Thanx for the jokes i always love to see the conductor, they have so many character, even i don't know any famous conductor, when i was in marching band we always make some joke if the conductor can make their tempo just by moving their thumb or blinking their eyes, and as the music player we must to follow their tempo in their weird way

@uktana #9856317 there's an opposite to déjà vu. They call it jamais vu. Its when u meet the same people or visit places, again and again, but each time is the first. Everybody is always stranger. Nothing is ever familiar

@RusA Thanks, I didn't know that. Actually, part of the training of both the writer and the artist (and I'm a little of both) is to get into the habit of looking at familiar things like you've never seen them before. People get into the habit of filtering out "irrelevant" details in what they see, and one of the gifts of a really good writer or painter is that they can see those details and communicate them in their work. One reason I love to get children to talk about things, is that so much of their experience really is jamais vu, before they get into the habit of filtering the details.

@uktana #9856652 i think my "jamais vu" moments are mostly when i was in new envirotment, like new work place, when someone alredy introduce me to the old peoples in that place, and then we meet again, i though i meet them for the first time, and then they told me that we already mêt before
Or maybe someone with Alzeimer, or forgetfull person will always have that "jamais vu" moment

@uktana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tWrImgFZlHY&t=1s
This house in Iceland is so cool, the view from inside the house is fantastic, and already modern with the solar energy, but then the owner showed the picture of the house in winter, with the extreme snow up to the roof

@RusA I'm not sure I'd like a house that has so much light, but I guess in Iceland it's not so bad, because it's dark for half the year anyway. It's really quite a well-thought-out piece of architecture, though.

I've seen pictures of houses after big snowstorms in the Rocky Mountains and the upper Midwest part of the U.S. where the snow piles up against the houses like that. Fortunately, we never get that much snow all at once. We did once in the 19th century ( see ~9852638 ), but with the global climate warmer these days, we're not likely to see anything like that again any time soon.

@uktana #9856682 oh...that looks like a snow wall in Connecticut i love that pic with the lady still wearing an old dress in the old times.
I saw many video about off the grid building, that peoples built in the middle of nowhere, but they still surounded by trees,that house in Iceland has no trees. And i love that scenery of a mountain coverd by snow, that i always see in the movie sound of music, when i was in Japan to see that eternal snow, i must to change train and go back to Tokyo from Omachi station, my cousin decided to buy some snacks outside the station. When i saw that mountain covered by snow from the gate of the station, i was so amazed with that scenery from that town, i can see the mountain with the snow, it was so cool. That the view that i always want to see since i was a kid, i mean it wasn't in Austria, but still amazing.

@RusA I've never actually seen high mountains with snow caps in real life. It's common here in Connecticut, with its variable terrain, to be in a valley that's perfectly dry, then drive up a hill and find everything covered in snow. It's not quite the same thing, though, because are hills are not tall enough to be impressive. There aren't any really tall mountains in the U.S. until you get way out West, and I've barely been past the Mississippi River.

@uktana #9856738 oh... I'm also live in Java island, the highest mountain in Java is MT. Semeru in east Java, i saw that mountain when i went to Bromo coz they're in the same National park. And what I meant when i said that i climbed Mt.Bromo, i just climb the 250 stairs for half hour and TA-DA, i already on the top of vulcano, smell that sulfur and saw the fog came from the bottom of vulcano https://images.app.goo.gl/Yj5sE3eXdxD54BNT8
We also have so many mountains here in west Java near Jakarta (Jakarta just 8 mdpl, near the sea), the mountains just 1 hour from jakarta without traffic jam, and it's so green full of tea gardens, nothing with the snow

I never went hike to any mountains that needs many days to climb it, and have a risk to get lost or MIA in the forrest. Even when in Japan, i went to Mt.Fuji by bus, And Tateyama, i must to ride so many transportations https://images.app.goo.gl/C6Y43tZTZQ9HYB1Y8
Actually i more like the sea than mountain, i love to swim at beach, my friends always mocking me when at office vacation to the sea, they said that i always change into a "mermaid" they always remind me not to swim far away coz the wave is so high

@uktana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZV40f0cXF4 see... English is hard languange

@RusA #9856701 Yeah, how we handle "-ough" is a little bit strange. All those words used to rhyme in Middle English - they all rhymed with "through", with a rough breathing on the end, represented by the -gh. But sometime in the late 1500s, a lot of English pronunciations changed. In this case, the vowels started to vary, and the rough breathing was dropped. But nobody ever bothered to change the spellings, and now we're stuck with them as our standard.

There's a British actor who's well-known to Americans because he appeared in a lot of sci-fi and horror movies in the Sixties and Seventies, named Michael Gough. I've known his name for my whole life, but never knew until a few years ago how to pronounce it. It's "Goff" - like "golf" without the L.

Of course, English is full of oddities like that. For instance: One mouse, two mice. One louse, two lice. One house... two houses. It gets worse: Two of those little square things you throw when you play tabletop games are called "dice". But if you have only one, it's not a "douce", it's a "die". One goose, two geese; one mongoose, two mongooses.

And people on the internet argue endlessly with each other about what you have if you own an octopus, and someone gives you another: Do you have two octopuses, two octopi, or two octopodes? Most dictionaries give "octopuses" as the preferred form, with "octopi" acceptable, and "octopodes" as completely wrong; but some people think they know more than the experts who compile the dictionaries.

French is pretty bad about that sort of thing, too, because of the way they drop consonants (porc, pig, and port, posture, are pronounced exactly the same, something like "pour" in English); or how they spell the same sound differently in different words, like sent, sang, s'en, sans, and cent. This is one reason I have trouble understanding something spoken aloud in French that I would have no problem at all to read. Like English, you can never be 100% sure of how a word is pronounced unless you hear it or look it up in the dictionary.

@uktana #9856707 ow....thanx for the explanation
I once had a discussion about English pronounciation with my friend, like in a song when Celine Dion pronounce the "angel" word, she sounds diffent like when Amrican singer say "angel" in their song, so English also has many dialec and accent too, like in Indonesian we pronounce the same word but we also have many dialec, so i can't say someone from Sumatra island is wrong when they said the Indonesian word coz they sound different with someone from Papua island when they say the same word, even if google just use the Jakarta or Javanese dialect and said it's the correct one

@RusA #9856710 Yes - British, American, Canadian, South African, and Australian English all have their standard, educated versions which are different from each other (or as a Brit would say, "different to each other". )

One of the silly things that happen on the internet is how some British person will argue that their English is the only right one (and usually whatever version of British English that person speaks), and how American English is a corrupted and debased language, and that over here we should speak the same way he and his neighbors over there speak. I love to step up to defend my country from arrogant and ignorant people, so I'll point out how American English is based on two or three British dialects, brought over by immigrants; and how 18th- and 19th-century American scholars (like Thomas Jefferson, among others) worked out a standard, educated version based on how educated Americans spoke at the time; and how this was formally organized by Noah Webster in his Blue Back Spelling Book and his dictionary, which still forms the basis of "proper" American English. All of that usually either shuts them up, or makes them mad.

@uktana #9856737 ow...thanx for the explanation. Yeah... In english course, the teacher always explained the difference between British and American, sometimes i don't know like lift/elevator, which one is British and which one is American
We also have the same problem with Indonesian and Malay language, like when we use the word "Kereta" in Indonesian means "train" but in Malay means "car". I though that Indonesian and Malay language are the same with different dialect, until i read a book " My Stupid Boss" written by Indonesian who work in Malaysia, when in the meeting, she only speaks Indonesian with her boss and then, the other Malaysian worker protest that they don't understand what they both saying in Indonesian. But we also have a Malaysia tv show in here, and i still can understand what they say in dialog, it just like hearing old people when they talk, like when i talk to my grandparents with a good and old Indonesian language

@RusA It's a "lift" in the UK and an "elevator" here. For us, a "lift" is a ride in someone else's car (as in giving your sister a lift), or an insert in the shoes that makes you look taller. Also, something that makes you feel good is said to "give you a lift", like what you get from a cup of coffee or tea.

I'm pretty familiar with the differences between British and American English (lift/elevator, lorry/truck, dole/welfare check, and so on), but the terms used about automobiles still puzzles me sometimes. Like what they call the boot, the bonnet, the silencer, and the cubby box, we call the trunk, the hood, the muffler, and the glovebox (or glove compartment). Their "saloon" is our "sedan", and their "estate car" is our "station wagon". Gasoline is "petrol" over there, and kerosene is "paraffin" (which to us is the kind of wax you make candles from).

On top of all that, they drive on the wrong side of the road.

I can understand the most common British accents, but sometimes I watch British films where the characters speak with thick Cockney or Northern accents, and I feel like the darn thing ought to have subtitles so I can tell what they're saying. I have a bit of trouble understanding the actress presently playing Doctor Who, because she has a Yorkshire accent. The previous Doctor was Scottish, and the rest mostly had London accents which I didn't have any trouble understanding. Well, with one exception: the Ninth Doctor had a Manchester accent, but I still didn't have any trouble with it.

Rose: If you're from another planet, how come you have a Northern accent?
Ninth Doctor: Oh, lots of planets have a North!

What you say about Malay and Indonesian reminds me of the relationships between Russian, Ukrainian, and Polish. Even though those languages are closely related, Russians and Poles can't understand each other, but Ukrainians can mostly understand both.

The closest language like that to English is Dutch; but it's different enough that we can't understand each other's language most of the time. When I hear spoken Dutch, it sounds so familiar that I feel like I should understand what they're saying, but don't. Most Dutch people speak fluent English, though, so that's rarely a problem.

@uktana #9856760 oh...thanx for the explanation about which one is British and the one with American, i never saw that Dr.Who. the popular British tv show in here is Mr.Bean, and he almost never speak
Oh...really that English is closest to Dutch. I remember when my grand father was still alive, and he got an Alzeimer, sometimes he speak Dutch, that i can't understand, but Indonesian languange mostly has an influence from Dutch, since we were colonized by the Dutch for almost 350 years. When i saw "Wortel" ID for the first time, i though she was Indonesian, coz in Indonesian "Wortel" is carrot, and when she replied that it also in Dutch, i was forgot that a lot of our words are from Dutch
And i just realized something, that when i saw on youtube about Netherland, they can't talk the Dutch alone without Indonesia, like in DW Euromaxx about that Eu politics, the presenter talking the others EU countries alone, expt. When he talking for Netherland, he also talk about Indonesia :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ztDJhL77Y and also https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCs5CF5HEg&t=11s Indonesia always be the shadow of when they talking about Netherland or Dutch

@RusA #9856770
i never saw that Dr.Who. the popular British tv show in here is Mr.Bean, and he almost never speak

Mr. Bean was never all that popular here in the U.S., but the actor that played the role is known here for his roles in Blackadder. Doctor Who has been popular here since the 1980s, and Monty Python has been around even longer. Benny Hill had a pretty good run for a while, but isn't so well-known these days. Americans tend to think of British TV as the upscale soap operas that our public TV network shows on their Masterpiece Theater series, like Downton Abbey.

When i saw "Wortel" ID for the first time, i though she was Indonesian, coz in Indonesian "Wortel" is carrot, and when she replied that it also in Dutch, i was forgot that a lot of our words are from Dutch

Wortel is another one who I miss around here. She's still active on Discord under a different name, but I don't spend much time over there.

We have a fair number of loan words from Indonesian, actually: bantam (a kind of chicken), cockatoo, pangolin, bamboo, kapok, papaya, sambal, batik, sarong, tempeh, and the name of the famous WW2 spy Mata Hari. One of the things that most characterizes American cuisine in the minds of a lot of the world is that we put ketchup on everything. But "ketchup" or "catsup" comes from the Malay name for fish sauce (I think), kĕchap. There's also the word "cootie", which originally meant a head-louse, but now is a humorous word for imaginary germs or contaminants that you get from, or pass on to, other people by touching them. We have a common joke that little boys avoid little girls because "girls have cooties"; and little boys become big boys when they realize that girls aren't yukkie and they don't have cooties.

@uktana #9856811 Yeah... Mr.Bean is almost never speaks any english words, i don't even know that he has a British accent i just found out about Dr.Who and Monty Phyton when u guys always discuss about it in the forum
Oh....and don't forget about Durian, and Wortel's fav.fruit "rambutan" (rambut means hair). I miss Wortel too, she wears sarong(usually men wear sarong for muslim prayer and traditional costum) and talking about Indonesian foods, sometimes i feel that Wortel more Indonesian than i am :d

I left discord, coz i just talking to Mixu on discord, he keeps invited me to his new language group that he become a moderator in that, the funny things that he sees himself as a wise moderator, but i saw him as the mad Khan moderator there was a fact card that said that peoples in Finland have the most Asian DNA, when i was asking Mixu if he also has an Asian blood, then he answear that he is 100℅ Mongol, that's why he always carzy about Khan but i submit discord from SATW, and always get the notification, and i just don't want to see the post from the members that i avoid from the forum, so i said goodbye to Mixu, wishing him a nice life and then deleted my account.

@RusA #9856815

Rowan Atkinson, who plays Mr. Bean, has the kind of accent you would expect for someone who grew up in the north part of England. I've only seen short clips of him like these as Mr. Bean, though as I said, I know him from the Blackadder series.

I can't imagine Mixu as a moderator anywhere - like you say, it's putting the Mad Khan in charge. He got banned from Discord, too, before I decided to show up there, so I haven't had any chat with him since he left the forum. I'm not sure I would trust his claim of being 100% Mongol, though since the Finns originally came from Siberia, it's not impossible. Still, didn't he also claim that Finland is the true heir of the Roman Empire? That's a claim that you look at, and you know that ain't right!

@uktana Ow...thanx, now i know that Mr.Bean has a northern England accent
Oh... I mean that Mixu is a funny kid, he probably 100℅ caucasian, but he always pretending to be 100℅ Mongol inside. I don't want to be creepy on the internet, and i never ask him too personaly, we were just disscuss about European history, dictators, and any fun things about Finland, like i always asking the other members about their own countries. Yeah... He's really a Mad Khan moderator, and i always reminds him to control himself not to be rude to the others

@RusA
I think ApplesRock summed it up very nicely when he said goodbye to all of us a couple of months ago. ~9855181

Oh, Mixu. Whatever happened to you! You were the best of us! Funny, smart, very witty, always looking to laugh and make others laugh. Oh, how I wish you could’ve been around for the past 2 years. Next time, try not to get on the bad side of the people in power.

That was Mixu's problem, he didn't always have a good sense about what to say to whom and when.

@uktana #9856844 yeah... But he also the one who always triggered Mixu, when he said..."I'm new here, what happened with the old members Mixu?" they said that this place used to be a good place. Where are the old members Mixu?" i mean if he really "New...New...New" i don't think so, and i already deal with some of that fake weird KarlMarx guy new ID that have same IP address, and he also always said that he is "New...New...New"

@uktana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ik3l4U_17bI&list=PLn0cJscRCAr_iNx7Dw5qGPPwcgxfX1cMZ&index=11&t=96s
Did u see the cherry blossom yet? That tree on video has many kind of colors

@RusA I haven't seen them this year, because I haven't gotten down to the park where they are. I hope to go sometime this weekend, and hope that they haven't finished blooming yet.

@uktana #9856758 oh... OK, have fun seeing that cherry blossom. I won't bothering u with so....many...many...questions

@RusA #9856758
Don't worry about that, I love to answer questions if I can, and a lot of what you ask me makes me have to stop and think, which is always a good thing to do.

@uktana Ow...thanx, u're so nice, kind and sincere
I think that u even better than God, coz u know everything and know all the answear in very funny and creative way
I know i can be so annoying when i ask many-many questioms to peoples, and sometimes i asked the same questions several times, i don't know if i just forgetfull or don't find the right answear.
I used to asked so many questions in comic area, and then Mixu, that weird Karl Marx and even that Finn123 always answearing my questions. And sometimes i also ask some weird question to Mixu... Like... Is it true that people in Finland really eat Tar? after a fins replied my comment that the most important things for finnish peoples are (sauna,Tar, and alcohol) i though maybe there's a weird snacks only for people in the north, like poisonus thing. I meant that Mixu english not really good but he still young, so...we won't insult each others.

@RusA #9856807
Don't go around saying I'm better than God, because that might get me struck by lightning or something. As for how much I know about things, well, there's a saying that if I see further than others, it's because I stand on the shoulders of giants.

I don't remember Karl Marx at all, but I got a kick out of both Mixu and Finn123, who unfortunately both got banned for bad behavior. They both had their annoying side, but I thought that was a little harsh. Finn123 is the one who asked me if I was Jewish, Asian, or Canadian. Mixu showed up at the Retreat and said he was going to invade it with his Mongol horde. I said that this was a bad time for an invasion, so we both agreed to wait until Thursday when it would be more convenient for both of us. We just don't have people like that anymore.

Weird-English note: At first I wrote "Mongol hoard" instead of "Mongol horde". It didn't look right, so I checked and found out I had confused "hoard", meaning a stash of useful or valuable objects, with "horde", meaning a nomadic band of warriors. Oops!

If by "tar" you mean pine tar, that's a folk-remedy that used to be popular in the U.S. Mostly it was used externally for skin conditions like psoriasis and eczema, but it was also taken internally, usually in the form of "tar water" (just what it sounds like: pine tar dissolved in water), for lung ailments and intestinal problems. It also showed up in a lot of the old snake-oil patent medicines of the time.

@uktana #9856809 oh...don't worry, i won't tell Thor about it, and i though u just afraid only of needles and not lightning or anything else

Yeah... That what i was curious about, why finn123 asked if u were an Asian Jew who migrated to Canada, that was so funny and far away from Germanic Lutherian American

Oh... That weird KarlMarx was active in the forum using "Ziebenhaub_the_Texan" ID, so...that's why i also suspect that Applesrock was him, and if u noticed that in every game, that Applesrock and Zuperkruch want to kill each others, but we did it in very smooth way i don't believe that he is a 14 years old kid.
And i know that Eric don't remember about how we used to be Three musketeer (Zuperkruch, Mixu, ErictheRedandWhite Vs that weird Karl Marx guy)
Oh...BtW tomorrow will be an Oscar, i hope u will write the news about that

@uktana oh...yeah...maybe that pine "tar", mixu didn't know either about that " tar", i though that tar for asphal which they always use it to make the road that's why i think it's a poisonus thing, thanx for the explanation

@RusA #9856817

"Tar" means a number of things in English, mostly having to do with dark, sticky, viscous organic substances of various kinds. It can mean coal tar, the tar that coats the lungs of cigarette smokers, a kind of unrefined heroin (black tar), or as above, pine tar.

And, of course, asphalt that you make roads with. That's the same substance, naturally-occurring bitumen, that a lot of prehistoric creatures got stuck in, at the La Brea Tar Pits in California.

@uktana #9856841 ow...thanx, yeah...that la Brea Tar Pits

@RusA #9856816
Yeah... That what i was curious about, why finn123 asked if u were an Asian Jew who migrated to Canada, that was so funny and far away from Germanic Lutherian American

Before he asked me that, we had previously had a discussion with a guy named Dan, who was an opinionated anime and kaiju-movie fan, and Finn123 used to provoke by calling him "the Weeaboo". That's a nonsense word taken from a webcomic, that was adapted to be an insult toward someone who fancies himself a Japanophile, but all he knows about Japanese culture is what he gets from anime and manga. Dan used to throw around words like "otaku", "kawaii", and "baka" without knowing what they really mean. I said something about how I used Yiddish words, not always accurately, and Finn123 said, "Maybe you're a Jewaboo!" So all that might have been the Asian and Jewish part, but I still don't know why he brought up Canada.

Oh... That weird KarlMarx was active in the forum using "Ziebenhaub_the_Texan" ID, so...that's why i also suspect that Applesrock was him (...) i don't believe that he is a 14 years old kid.

I've interacted with ApplesRock quite a lot, and I'm certain that he was who he said he was - though, of course, you never know for sure!



He always came across to me as a somewhat neurotic teenager, but very intelligent, and fun to play our forum games with. Unfortunately, he recently left because of personal problems and because he doesn't find the forum as fun as it used to be.

I've got no plans to watch the Oscars, because I never do, and if I post anything about it, it would likely be about how I didn't see any of the movies and don't know who the actors are.

#9856817
oh...yeah...maybe that pine "tar", mixu didn't know either about that " tar", i though that tar for asphal which they always use it to make the road that's why i think it's a poisonus thing, thanx for the explanation

I did some looking up, and it turns out I was right, sort of. Terva, as the Finns call it, is pine sap that's been burned down to a tarry substance, and is used in soap and shampoo, and as a flavoring for candy and other things. The article points out that terva is basically similar to maple syrup, which is the sap from maple trees, boiled down to make a syrupy liquid. I suppose if you boiled it down until it's nearly dry, you'd have something similar, only maple-flavored instead of pine-flavored.

@uktana #9856829 ow.... Thanx for that "Terva" explanation, so it's not as scary thing as i though before. See... U know everything, and always know all the answear BTW... Who is the Giant that u stand on of his shoulder?

Yeah... We never know who is that person behind that ID. I think that weird KarlMarx was a fine member, until he got banned by Eric after he had fight with Mixu, and then i get involved, and he became annoying that he always made a new ID and pretending to be the new Finn123 that haunted me. I'm still OK with applesrock still playing in the forum, but sometimes i feel he don't have something like the others in his age (Mixu, Rayati,JTWlover) but maybe it just me who feel that way

I'm curious about the Oscar in pandemic and i didn't see any of it's movies nominations either for this year. So... U will write that in very sarcastic way

@uktana BTw... U aren't mad if i keep mocking u as an Asian Jew who migrated to Canada?

@RusA #9856834
BTw... U aren't mad if i keep mocking u as an Asian Jew who migrated to Canada?

Not at all, I think it's great fun. I know you don't mean any insult by it, and I know why you make a joke out of it, so like a lot of other things, I'm happy to play along.

@uktana #9856842 it's also meant that u're not as racist as finn123

@RusA #9856849
Yeah, he was pretty bad about that, but that guy Scan_dreng or whatever his name was, was even worse. Not only was he prejudiced against people of color, but he also kept insulting me as an American. Worse, he was always whining about how bad things were for him, trying to get sympathy from the rest of us. I finally stopped talking to him altogether.

@uktana #9856865 yeah... First time i though he get deppression in so young age, and then he start complaining about the immigrants ( i'm not surprise they do that in their home land ) ,and when he wrote about how he attacking his half sister coz he hates his step mother, well... I try to avoid him after that.

@uktana https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/movies/oscars-winner-list.html BTW... I'm a little surprise as the person who always talking about Movies and actors. U never seen the Oscar
Most nomination this year are from Netflix, which i never seen that... I really curious with the winner of That docimentary feature "My Octopus teacher", since we recently talking about the Octopus as an ET, and zombie foods

@RusA #9856832
See... U know everything, and always know all the answear BTW... Who is the Giant that u stand on of his shoulder?

That's a quote from Isaac Newton, who was one of the greatest geniuses ever, and who did more than anyone to establish modern physics. When people would tell him how smart he was, he would just say that was just building on the work of those before him.

For my part, I stand on the shoulders of giants like Mark Twain, Isaac Asimov, Stephen Jay Gould, Lewis Carroll, and the editors of the Encyclopedia Britannica, as well as any number of online resources where I can find out anything I don't know.

I'm curious about the Oscar in pandemic and i didn't see any of it's movies nominations either for this year. So... U will write that in very sarcastic way

I wasn't going to post anything about the Oscars, but since you brought it up, I couldn't help myself. It's on the New What's On Your Mind thread.

#9856835
BTW... I'm a little surprise as the person who always talking about Movies and actors. U never seen the Oscar
Most nomination this year are from Netflix, which i never seen that... I really curious with the winner of That docimentary feature "My Octopus teacher", since we recently talking about the Octopus as an ET, and zombie foods

I wrote a little bit about why I don't usually pay attention to the Oscars in my post on the New What's On Your Mind thread, and also a little bit about My Octopus Teacher. Thank you for pointing that one out to me, I actually might go looking for it since, as you mention, it's on a subject that I enjoy. One problem I have with the hype around the Oscars is that you hear a lot about a few major movies, and then next to nothing about the really cool stuff, like a documentary about octopuses.

@uktana #9856843 ow...Thanx. Love it....very sarcastic

@uktana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGKFbnVttQ
BTW... Stephen King can predict the pandemic in 2020 but i never read his books, just saw that "it" movie

@RusA #9856730
I got on a kick of reading Stephen King novels when, as a teenager, I picked up a copy of The Shining after seeing the movie. I always dismissed King as a pop author who wasn't worth reading, no matter what a celebrity he was. But I was curious to see how the movie compared to the book, and reading it changed my mind about him. I started checking out his books from the library in the order they were published, starting with Carrie, which I didn't like at all, but I thought the ones that followed - Salem's Lot, The Shining, The Stand, The Dead Zone - were all pretty good, though with some aspects I didn't care for. I actually skipped The Stand at first because it was such a large book, but I bought a cheap copy and kept it around. Then one time, I was sick in bed with the flu; I had slept as much as I could, but wasn't well enough to get out of bed, so I decided I'd spend the time reading that book. Mind you, it's about the population of the United States being decimated by a virulent, fast-spreading, and deadly strain of the flu.

I read a few more of his books after that, but didn't like them as much, and after The Dark Half I sort of gave up on him. I haven't read any of his other books, though I've seen some of the movie and TV adaptations of his work, and I enjoy seeing him on a talk show.

And here's a remarkable thing that happened to me: After I'd been reading Stephen King novels for a few years, I randomly picked up a paperback book in the library called The Long Walk by Richard Bachman. I hated that novel more than about anything I've ever read. Besides not liking the story or the characters, I thought it was the worst attempt at somebody copying Stephen King's style I ever read. Some time later, I found out that this was actually the first novel King wrote (but didn't publish back then), when he was a messed-up 18 years old. So it wasn't some amateur writer copying King's style - it was a young King trying to figure out what his style really was. It had been known for some years before that King used the name "Richard Bachman" to publish his juvenile work, including The Long Walk, as well as a few later books that he considered knock-off pop novels and didn't want to put his name on; but I didn't think of that at the time.

@uktana #9856736
Yeah... I always heard about Stephen King book and movie, but never read any books of him. Oh...so "The Stand" is about Covid-19
Wow... U read his first novel when he still used that name "Richard Bachman"
Btw, why in your prejudice map that Vermont name Stephen King?

@uktana Ooooppppssss.... Sorry, i meant Stephen King in Maine not in Vermont
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/jan/13/worlds-oldest-known-cave-painting-found-in-indonesia BTW... They found the oldest painting in here, i know who draw that painting, Pssstttt... Alien from Mars, after they gave us the Durian, they made somekind of stupid art it's a secret, please also not to tell NASA about it

@RusA #9856736
Btw, why in your prejudice map that Vermont name Stephen King?
#9856753
Ooooppppssss.... Sorry, i meant Stephen King in Maine not in Vermont

King has lived in central Maine his whole life, and many of his stories are set there, especially his early ones. Most Americans know little about Maine except for what they read in those stories; and for us New Englanders, that part of the region is cold, dreary, and spooky; and what people live there tend to be unfriendly and frankly a little bit odd. Like, you know, people out of a Stephen King novel or something.

Q: What's the difference between a scarecrow and a person from Maine?
A: One hangs around in a field and frightens off birds and small animals, and the other one is a scarecrow.

BTW... They found the oldest painting in here, i know who draw that painting, Pssstttt... Alien from Mars, after they gave us the Durian, they made somekind of stupid art

Yes, everyone knows that cave paintings are true-to-life representations of extraterrestrial visitors
https://www.google.com/search?q=cave%20painting%20aliens&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:Cf0b2vNCBRhRYcNunqLpTVzn&client=firefox-b-1-e&hl=en-US&sa=X&ved=0CBwQuIIBahcKEwiQ-N_MoJXwAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQFg&biw=1340&bih=657

...because the people who lived back then were just too primitive and unsophisticated to use their artistic imaginations like we do today
https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+art&client=firefox-b-1-e&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-s_aVoZXwAhXZQzABHXUGBAEQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1357&bih=657

@uktana #9856757

Ow...thanx for the explanation, that Maine is a spooky state and full of scarecrows
Yeah...the old paintings were made by ET

@RusA #9856757
Yeah...the old paintings were made by ET

And all the ancient buildings like the pyramids, because everyone knows that the Egyptians were too stupid to figure out how to make a big pile of rocks, so they must have had help. Those Ancient Aliens people even insist that space aliens (or, more likely, a lost white race) built the Native American earthworks, because the Natives couldn't possibly have known how to pile up basketfuls of dirt.

@uktana #9856801 oh...before u get shot for vaccine, don't forget to pray to St.Doraemon, he will helps u to forget the needles
https://images.app.goo.gl/45Nvym7wFR1TvVup9

@RusA #9856855
There are several patron saints who guard against plagues and pandemics, but I can't find anyone who oversees vaccines. Of course, if I started praying to Roman Catholic saints, my bishop would probably revoke my Lutheran confirmation card. So Doraemon it is!



One of those saints who one can pray to to protect against plagues is St. Marina of Antioch. At one point, Marina was attacked by Satan in the form of a black man, and she grabbed him by the hair and whacked him with a hammer until he ran away. I don't know about vaccines, but it sounds like she could be the patron saint of protection in questionable urban areas.

@uktana #9856864 yeah... Try St.Doraemon or St.Marina of Antioch, if they didn't work....hmmm...maybe... Trump the Buddhist won't work either

@RusA #9856864 I found a video about that Buddha-Trump, an interview with the artist on Reuters about why he made the statue in the first place. He said that in his culture, an old man who has been successful should be relaxing and enjoying a peaceful life; but Trump is still "tormented and fretful over various desires and uncertainties." He wanted to express this dichotomy in his art, and he thought it would be amusing and fun.



You can get a small one from his studio for US$150, or a large one for $3000. Obviously, buying the more expensive one would shower you with many more blessings . After all, he blesses extremely well, nobody blesses as well as he does, like basically the best ever at blessing. He knows lots of spiritual beings, he's got a great relationship with the buddhas and all, but he's actually the most spiritual person around.

@uktana WHAT? $ 3.000 for that Trump the Buddhist all i know that he left the white house not in peacfull at all
BTW... I once saw the movie about Pres. Truman on tv cable, i forget the tittle of the movie, but in the end of the movie when Truman lost the next election(he was the VP , then a President after FDR die) he waiting to welcome the winning President, if i'm not wrong, he's Dwight D.Eisenhower. But Eisenhower refuse to meet Truman, but in that movie didn't explain why...so, when Trump left the white house without welcomming Biden. It wasn't the first time that rude thing happened.

@RusA #9856877
WHAT? $ 3.000 for that Trump the Buddhist all i know that he left the white house not in peacfull at all

Trump has been pretty quiet lately, so maybe he's been spent the last four months meditating, and found... well, I'm not sure how it's expressed in Buddhism, but Christians would call it repentance (realizing what a mess you've made of things, and deciding to change your ways for the better) and amendment of life (resolving to do things right from now on). Who knows? Once he comes out of seclusion, he might start talking about how well he's following the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, nobody follows them like he does, he's the most noble and truthful path-following person in history - well, there was that Buddha guy, but we don't really know much about him, do we? He's laid down his ego, and he's the best ever at ego-laying-down - he's the most humble of all the really great enlightened beings.



But Eisenhower refuse to meet Truman, but in that movie didn't explain why...so, when Trump left the white house without welcomming Biden. It wasn't the first time that rude thing happened.

Thanks, I didn't know that thing about Eisenhower and Truman. I found a summary of it on the National Parks Service website, where it talks about some of the people Eisenhower didn't get along with:

Eisenhower and Truman got along fine until Eisenhower began his campaign for the presidency in 1952 as a Republican. By then, Eisenhower had begun to regard Truman as an inept, undignified leader who had surrounded himself with crooks and cronies. Truman, in turn, was furious with Eisenhower's claim that there was a "mess" in Washington. He was incensed that Eisenhower would undermine his efforts to end the Korean War by promising to go there himself. And he certainly was not pleased with the candidate's criticism of his foreign policy, particularly since Eisenhower appeared to be in total accord with it before the campaign. When it came time for their traditional ride together as president and president-elect to Eisenhower's inauguration ceremonies, the chill in their relationship was clearly evident. Eisenhower even refused Truman's invitation to join him for coffee in the White House.

@uktana #9856893 yeah...Trump is so quite, not much news from him...a little boring, i remember when he was a President,it always something news in every day and every minutes
I don't believe he's in meditation zone , maybe an Aliens kidnapping him :
But i must to admit that Trump was an eye-opener to me, without him i never really interested in USA election or political things, he just made it funny
Ow...thanx, yeah... That Korean war, that's why he refuse Truman's in White house

@uktana BTW...if u feel the side effect of the vaccine, please let me know, the last time i did the vaccine for servix cancer then i got fever and my arm hurt for couple days, it's worst that do the blood donor with big needles. Hope i don't need Trump the Buddhist for my protection when i do the Covid-19, even he already survive from it

@uktana #9856865 BTW ~9856927 why i get that feeling that he knew we were talking about him recently
Oh... He was the one who found my comment about Mixu when i though Mixu was a girl and not a boy, luckily Mixu wasn't mad about my mistake

@RusA #9856869
Funny thing: I arrived early for my vaccine appointment this morning, so I was killing time texting with my cousin in Missouri, who feels about like I do about Trump. I sent her the photo of The Buddhatrump, and as a joke, I put that on my phone as the background to the home screen. The vaccination went well, and I didn't have the least degree of side effects... So maybe there's something to what John Michael Greer said about that statue that "five thousand years of lively and inclusive polytheism have made it easier for Chinese people to recognize spiritual power when they see it". Or maybe he's like those Roman Emperors that become gods after they die, and people burn incense and pray to them just like any other gods.

@uktana #9856894 Yey... congratulation u did the shot without
WHAT? So Trump the Buddhist did protect u from your weakness. Did i made u converted to that kind of thing?
I think there is a Greek quotes about the man who see himself in the mirror, it's not the real reflection that they believe they see, but about something in their head they always believe they see in the mirror. And Trump always overvalue when he sees himself in the mirror and i don't understand why u always undervalue yourself? Why u always say that u're a beast or not really that good? I mean... Look at Trump he always see himself as the God https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rafv1ldWFY

@RusA #9856896
I don't believe he's in meditation zone , maybe an Aliens kidnapping him

That would explain a lot!


"So long as they're not Muslims, they're OK."

#9856899
BTW...if u feel the side effect of the vaccine, please let me know, the last time i did the vaccine for servix cancer then i got fever and my arm hurt for couple days, it's worst that do the blood donor with big needles. Hope i don't need Trump the Buddhist for my protection when i do the Covid-19, even he already survive from it

Yes, there are side effects that can happen with any vaccine: soreness or swelling where the needle went in, or headache and low-grade fever. This is the body's immune system adapting to the vaccine and producing the antibodies, which is what you want to happen. These symptoms might go on for a day or two until the body finds a "new normal", and some people have milder reactions than others. It's unpleasant, but not usually dangerous. More concerning is that some people might have an allergic reaction to the vaccine - at CVS Pharmacy, where I got my shot, one of the questions they ask is if you've ever gotten an allergic reaction to any vaccine before. Other serious side effects are rare, but they do happen, but every medication has side effects, you just need to decide if the benefits outweigh the risks.

I didn't feel any side effects at all, except for about nine hours later I felt some soreness at the injection site - nothing serious, and no swelling or anything else. It was all gone by the time I woke up, and this morning I feel just fine. They do recommend being well-hydrated when you get the shot ("Drink at least sixteen ounces of water an hour before your appointment to lessen the possibility of side effects"), so all the water I drank - more than sixteen ounces - might have helped, too.

@uktana #9856908 yeah... But the Aliens will send him back to earth again, they watched fox news and then believe what they said that Trump is the smartest human on earth, very genius, and the best president ever, when they arrive at their planet, Trump starting to make many racist comments about how bad is their planet, how ugly they are, and how greeny their children are and not white enough for him. So....they can't take him anymore. They will send him back pretty soon

Ow...thanx for the explanation of the vaccine and the side effect, yeah...drink much water before do the vaccine

@RusA #9856910
they watched fox news and then believe what they said that Trump is the smartest human on earth, very genius, and the best president ever

There's an episode of The Twilight Zone called "Hocus Pocus and Frisby", which is about a guy who's always spinning tall tales about what a great guy he is, just to entertain his friends.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheTwilightZoneS3E95HocusPocusAndFrisby

Then he gets abducted by ETs who have no concept of lying or storytelling, and assume that everything he says is true, and that he really is the greatest human who ever lived. (Spoiler alert: he escapes when he finds out they can't stand his harmonica playing!)

Here's another article about it, with some screencaps. The remarkable thing is that this episode was broadcast in 1962, a year and a half before Betty and Barney Hill spoke publicly of their abduction experience, which had happened in 1961, but was unknown to the public and press at the time. And the aliens under their human disguise have some similarities to the Gray Aliens we're all familiar with today, but weren't at all common in previous abduction stories, though similar creatures did show up from time to time in the contemporary science fiction. MInd you, these sci-fi works were in black and white, so all of those aliens would have looked gray to anyone who was watching.

when they arrive at their planet, Trump starting to make many racist comments about how bad is their planet, how ugly they are, and how greeny their children are and not white enough for him. So....they can't take him anymore.

I love it! I may borrow this idea for something later on, if you don't mind.

@uktana #9856951 ah....that Twilight zone seems like a popular tv show there, i never heard it until u once posted in the forum about it. Oh... Of course u always can borrow my idea about Trump's story, i don't have any copy right for that kind of things , and i think u always make it better than mine
BTW... Another old American tv show that i like is "The Adventure of Ozzy and Harriet" The Nelson family also have the real casts member of they real families, they also did the ad advertising on their show like George & Gracie, what i like from that is i can see the old house stuff that they use, like the Kodak camera or the cream shaker https://images.app.goo.gl/1RsvmXf8dSB3gQm1A
and then the weird thing about their show is that, they have a neighbor who always come to their house, but his wife never show up, they just use the voice and shadow of the actor, which i found funny like in "The Big Bang Theory" the character of Howard's mom only has a voice but we never seen the actor who play that roll

@uktana oh... I also have imagination that The aliens do an operation surgery to Trump's brain and searching for smart thing that he always said,but they didn't find it. That's why they don't want to attact earth and no star wars, coz they really dissapointed about what human or fox news said about the smartest and the best leader in history ever

@RusA There was a running gag in the old Bloom County comic strip (which I've been reading online lately) of Trump suffering an accident, and his brain was transplanted into a regular character named Bill the Cat, a scruffy, mangy alley cat. That was good for a few laughs. This was in 1989, so it's ridiculous how Trump got so huffy about everyone making fun of him while he was President - everyone made fun of him from the very beginning.

@uktana #9857019 Bill the cat with Trump's brain inside
Wow...they already mocking him since 1989
BTW... I was wondering if Trump can be Biden's WH press secretary? I mean Biden always says for unity and don't hate Trump. Why don't make him as his WH press secretary, he don't have any power anymore, and i think Trump always like talk at the podium, since his social media banned, it will fun to see him still fight with the media and called them "fake news"

@RusA #9857029
BTW... I was wondering if Trump can be Biden's WH press secretary? I mean Biden always says for unity and don't hate Trump. Why don't make him as his WH press secretary, he don't have any power anymore, and i think Trump always like talk at the podium, since his social media banned, it will fun to see him still fight with the media and called them "fake news"

The Republican Party is split between Trump and his supporters on the one hand, and the rest of the Party who are sick and tired of the guy and want to return to more normal Republican Party values. It tells you something about how things are going, when George W. Bush becomes the voice of reason.

@uktana #9857041

Yeah... Make America Texas again
See...that Fox Business that Trump will comeback for the next election. I hope that ET never read that news
BTW... In USA, is there any non white or non Christian holiday?

@RusA #9857052
See...that Fox Business that Trump will comeback for the next election.

Fox News is just playing to an audience in order to get ratings. Nobody knows what Trump will do in 2024, or even next year when the mid-term elections come up. There are lots of House and Senate seats up for grabs, that Trump may or may support candidates for. For all we know, he might be thinking that since he's already been the Greatest President In American History, he'll be looking for the Next Big Thing to promote his brand.

My opinion right now is that he's lying low on the advice of his lawyers until the cases of the people who attacked the Capitol Building go through the court system. A lot of them are defending themselves by basically saying, "Trump made me do it!" If he's renegotiated his deal with Satan and comes out of the situation squeaky-clean, then we'll see what he's up to next.

BTW... In USA, is there any non white or non Christian holiday?

Oh, yes, we have a number of secular holidays that are not specifically Christian, notably our Independence Day or Fourth of July. And then there's New Year's Day, Groundhog Day, April Fool's Day, May Day, Memorial Day, Labor Day and many others. Of the six Federal holidays that we get paid time off for, only Christmas has any religious significance, and one may argue about how much Christ is left in Christmas these days.

There are a number of recognized holidays originating in ethnic groups - Martin Luther King Day and Juneteenth for the black community; Passover and Rosh Hashana for Jews; or Diwali for Hindus. There's some talk about giving some official recognition to Muslim holidays as well, but this is hugely controversial. Most of us don't get the day off for such observances, but most businesses have no problem letting employees have time off if they want it. We make jokes about how, when Passover come around, all the Jews at work suddenly disappear. Sometimes there are problems when Easter and Passover occur at nearly the same time, when the Christians and Jews fight over who gets time off this year.

Even our Thanksgiving, loaded as it is with quasi-religious sentiment, is essentially a secular holiday that even atheists observe, and is the one day of the year when all the Chinese restaurants are closed.

@uktana WHAT? U have an April fool as a holiday? I read that Sweden has a waffel day as a holiday
And Diwali for Indian from India, and how about the Indian native American, are the get any holiday? I mean they still USA citizen,right? Not an immigrant?
Honestly i don't really like the western news about my country, like this news https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pD58Dj648gM WHAT? indonesia is a zero tolerance? We don't just celebrate the white Christian holiday like Christmas, easter(paskah) as our national holiday here, why can they tell that Indonesia has a zero not even 10℅ tolerance i mean like...if they even look at them selves in the mirror. I bet they only have just white Christian holiday. And when they come in here, they even treat our local like we were still in the year before 1945. I mean we got our independence by blood, the Dutch never gave us that easy. Even the Netherland's king made his apologize statement to us, coz it was really bad.
But like what they said, always look at the bright side, at least our country not the target of the war immigrants
Today, even the Australia learn Indonesia language for their student in their school, but for me like when i travel abroad Indonesian is my secret language, so i can speak in front of that person the thing that they don't want to hear, but now that Australian can understand us, nothing fun anymore :
I mean like... Why don't they study their native Aborigin language? They probably can find out what the real "Kangoroo" names, i read that "Kangoroo means " I don't know in Aborigin's languange, so... If they more learn the native languange isn't that today we already know the real of that hopping animal names

@RusA #9857077
WHAT? U have an April fool as a holiday? I read that Sweden has a waffel day as a holiday

April Fools Day is a very old custom going back to Europe. In the French version, also in Quebec, they hang a fish onto someone's back so that he walks around with it until someone points it out. Poisson d'Avril! That's what they say, "April Fish!", instead of "April Fool!" It used to be a real, smelly fish, but these days it's usually paper or cardboard.


The French above translates as "to glue a fish onto someone's back".

For our April Fools Day, we don't do that. We play pranks on each other, or try to get someone to do something ridiculous to make him look like a fool. Radio stations and news outlets will often give a fake news report and then see how many listeners fall for it. It's always something ridiculous, like how the government is recalling the green money and replacing it with orange money, so we should take all our green money to the bank and have it exchanged for the orange money. The banks hated that one, because people actually did show up to exchange their money. One of my favorites was from a website that's no longer around that ran an article about a merger between Walmart and Disney Company, with the new company called WaltMart, and would open miniature Disney theme parts at Walmart stores. There's also a famous one from the BBC where they reported on the latest bumper crop of spaghetti from the Italian and Swiss spaghetti farms.

And Diwali for Indian from India, and how about the Indian native American, are the get any holiday? I mean they still USA citizen,right? Not an immigrant?

American Indians generally keep their festivals to themselves, only allowing tribal members and other people they trust to participate. Most tribes, at least the settled ones that grew crops, have a harvest festival in the autumn that in English is usually called the Green Corn Dance. Some of them are open to the public and some aren't. The local Mashantucket Pequot tribe, which owns the big Foxwoods Casino, have one they call Schemitzen in August which is quite popular. It's a multi-tribal affair, and they get Indians from all over the country to participate in traditional dance contests and sell their handicrafts to visitors. (Come for the artwork, stay for the gambling! ) The Western Cherokees used to have two corn dances, the Green Corn Dance in August, and the Ripe Corn Dance in September. These days, they split the difference and have just one: the Cherokee National Festival on Labor Day weekend in early September. Then there are what are called "powwows", which are festivals that occur throughout the year, different dates for different tribes. I know Indian artists and craftsmen who make their living on "the powwow circuit", meaning they spend most of the year traveling around the country from one tribal powwow to another selling their work.

WHAT? indonesia is a zero tolerance? We don't just celebrate the white Christian holiday like Christmas, easter(paskah) as our national holiday here, why can they tell that Indonesia has a zero not even 10℅ tolerance i mean like...if they even look at them selves in the mirror. I bet they only have just white Christian holiday.

I know, it's like some people in the media just won't accept that there's such a thing as Islam that's not theocratic and terrorist. We certainly have such people in our Christian communities, the most extreme version of which are the Christian Reconstructionists, who want to eliminate the Constitution as the basis of our civil law and replace it with something based on their interpretation of the Law of Moses (stoning gay people to death seems to be something they're especially promoting). But even not going to that extreme, a lot of conservative Christians think that the civil law ought to reflect their religious beliefs: women barred from outside-the-home employment, no businesses open on Sunday, and everything they don't like should be explicitly against the law. I think one reason they're so afraid of Muslims and their shari'a is that they don't want the competition. And yes, if it were up to them, all non-Christian holidays would be banned. Some would eliminate Christmas and Easter as being more pagan than Christian, and would prefer Biblical holy days like Passover. These are the people who are complaining these days about being persecuted by non-Christians, because they don't know the difference between persecution and not getting their way all the time.

Today, even the Australia learn Indonesia language for their student in their school, but for me like when i travel abroad Indonesian is my secret language, so i can speak in front of that person the thing that they don't want to hear, but now that Australian can understand us, nothing fun anymore

That thing about using Indonesian as a secret language that might not be so secret, reminds me of people in the neighborhood where I live - they'll switch to Spanish when they don't want us Anglos to know what they're saying, not realizing that I understand enough Spanish to follow a conversation. I never let on, though, because why spoil their fun? Australians probably learn Indonesian these days for the same reason that American schools - which used to teach only French, Spanish, and German as foreign languages - are now teaching Russian and Mandarin Chinese, because the world is a much smaller place these days.

@uktana Yeah...we also prank someone on April fool's day, but not a holiday in here.
Yeah... I mean why even that media made that news like that, Indonesia even not the biggest immigrant in their country, we even have a Buddhist holiday, and Hindu holiday, when i went to Mt.Bromo in East Java with my friends, that place is a Hindu place and no Mosque in that place, 4 of my friends are muslim men and it was Friday, they just didn't do the Friday prayer without grumpy, nothing with zero tolerance at all. Maybe they just want to make the muslims as their next target for they neo NAZI concentrasion camp, and not enough with the muslim in middle east. No wonder that they think that Indonesian don't eat pork even we export our pork to Singapore, and never drink any alcohol. If someone ask me that question again maybe i'm just say that so true, so.. I don't wast my energy for deny it, whatever they say, i don't really care anymore

@RusA #9857113

Seems like all the news we get over here about Indonesia is about plane crashes and terrorist bombings and how bad covid-19 is over there. That's if we hear any news about the country at all, which we don't get very much of. It's mostly China and India and Japan with pretty much nothing in between. One of the reasons our domestic terrorist problem is so bad now in the U.S. is that Homeland Security was focusing so much on Muslim-Americans, who mostly just want to live their lives and make a living like the rest of us, that the violent end of the alt-right, the militia movement, and various other fruitcake groups were allowed to grow with very little attention, until they tried to overthrow our government. Now all of a sudden, DHS is saying, "OMG, the country is full of terrorists - and they're all white native-born Americans!!!!"

@uktana #9857138 yeah...there was a controversial things after the Vegas shooting, how the Western media always pick aside, like when it's Black peoples then they always say "a murder", and if they a Muslim they use the word " terrorist" and when they a white, they use more positive names like "a good person with mental problems" it's all about the positive names, recently that Colorado shooting also, when the media report that he isn't a racist man, i saw South China Morning post, all Asian comments "What?he killed 6 Asian women, and they said he's not a racist?". And like when John Oliver explaining about immigrant stealing somekind of small things but the media reported with the bad negative things, he always said "look at the British Museum, that place is full of stolen stuffs from all over the world" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hoTxiRWrvp8
Theres a strange local news that i read recently, that the Netherland goverment will send all their things in their museum, stuffs about Indonesia that they brought in their colonialism era, and i was thinking isn't that the British Museum that they were protesting about? Why the Netherland is the one who send their stuffs back to us
And about the plane crash, we suspect that our sea has some kind that powerfull magnet like that Bermuda triangel, it''s always the budget airplanes that crashed when they fly not that high, not that our national airplane. And the Covid-19 magically no one of my family and relatives got that, two month ago my aunt sent a message news, asking families to pray for my father's cousin who got that Covid-19, coz he already in ICU and need the plasma donor, and i was thinking "oh... That uncle and my father was really close, and he is a good uncle" but then my aunt gave the news that he survive after a relatives gave a herbal medicine to him at the hospital

The negative news it is the one more like when i saw our local news about Israel that always negative. Then when i saw in Rick Steve travel video that Palestinian crossing the border to work in Israel, like i though they just killing each others , or when Conan O'brien went to Israel and the visit the Syrian refugee hospital, that kind of positive news never reported by our local news, so...peoples in here just think that Israel just bad, and nothing good about them

@RusA #9857151
Our government used to be reluctant to call anyone but Muslim attackers "terrorists", but since nearly all of the mass shootings lately, and plots uncovered and thwarted by the FBI, have been by American citizens working to promote a radical political movement, the Feds have finally come to their senses and started using the term "domestic terrorism". They do make a distinction between the shooter representing a group, and some lone fruitcake that went off his nut and started shooting up a mall or something. The former is a terrorist, but the latter is just some crazy guy with a gun.

As for Israel, the media here in the States tends to be pro-Israel; but more finely divided, the Right supports the Israeli government and the Left supports the Palestinians in their fight for equal rights. I try to stay out of the fight, especially since most of the time the Israelis and the Palestinians manage to live together relatively peaceably, with flare-ups breaking out from time to time; and so long as there isn't a war going on, I'm happy to let them mind their own business.

@RusA #9857151
Theres a strange local news that i read recently, that the Netherland goverment will send all their things in their museum, stuffs about Indonesia that they brought in their colonialism era, and i was thinking isn't that the British Museum that they were protesting about? Why the Netherland is the one who send their stuffs back to us

There's a movement now for all the old colonial powers to send back stuff they carted off from colonies when they were the local landlords. The items in the British Museum get most of the attention, but everyone was doing it back then, and some modern nations, like the Netherlands, are doing more about it than the UK. The two arguments are: on one hand, these items were stolen from those who created them and ought to be returned; on the other hand, if they're sent back, they'll just gather dust in some closet in Egypt or wherever, whereas in a major museum they can be seen and appreciated by the whole world.

Our version of that is the Repatriation movement, about how Native American artifacts that are displayed in museums ought to be returned to the tribes they were taken from. This is especially important when it comes to ritual items and skeletons, because traditional ritual practice and connection to the ancestors are major parts of Indian culture. There's certainly a good deal of justice in this movement, but unfortunately it's been muddied by what some people call "category grifters". Those are the people who insist that because they belong to some category of people who have suffered awful things, they therefore ought to be given goodies that they haven't earned. One of the worst examples of this are cases of prehistoric skeletons being claimed by various contemporary Indian tribes that can't possibly have existed when that skeleton was walking around in flesh and blood several thousand years ago.

This is a general problem with dealing with Indian tribes, because the "tribe" is a political unit created by the U.S. government in, mostly, the 1800s. The Indians themselves divided up in a variety of ways, mostly based on ancestry, language, and culture. Some of these correspond to modern tribes and some don't. Especially in cases where small neighboring bands were fused together by the Bureau of Indian Affairs into a larger tribe that they could manage more efficiently - something like what the British did in Mesopotamia after WW 1 to create the nation of Iraq - it can be difficult to determine what belongs to whom.

@uktana #9857201 ow...thanx for that info, i don't know about that movement. I though it was just like... there was a conflic between the China and Phillipines about their sea zone teritory, and the result was they gave Indonesia more portion of that sea, but we didn't do the protest about it in the first place , so when i saw the news about Netherlands give us back our stuff, i just remember about that British Museum protest.
My grandma used to show me a gold medal from Dutch queen, when her grandma went to Netherland and receive that medal after she made some traditional handmade fabric, so... I though that Indonesian stuff there not all stolen things, coz they gave us the gold medal as change.
Wow... That skeleton seems so spooky

@uktana like this Malaysian Airlines https://satwcomic.com/lost it lost contact after they enter Indonesian sea, and found just small pieces in Hindia ocean between Indonesia and Australia, that plane should be go north to Hongkong, and recently we also lost our submarine in south Bali sea, there something strange with our sea, maybe there is Aliens in our sea
Expt. For the Lion Air that was Boing problem with their new plane.

@RusA #9857160
I'm surprised that all the Bermuda Triangle nuts don't write about things going on around Indonesia. Maybe it's all the mermaids that are causing the trouble, or the tribal people aren't sacrificing enough virgins to the sea gods or something.

@uktana #9857192 i feel like in today world, when internet become cheap and free wi-fii everywhere ,so everyone can get their information so fast and upload their own story...seems like everyone can playing the "Victim", like Palestinian playing the victim, Israeli playing the victim, Trump playing the victim, the immigrants playing the victim, even the victim also playing the victim (they make they
bad things into worst) to make a symphaty from the audience from all over the world, just like that Shakespear says that everyone is merelly player in As u like it. For me like always see the news and see it as 50/50 not trusting that 100℅. Always become neutral like Switzerland, they more like neutral in everything, not into world war and even they are a rich country they don't want to join the EU , btw why is the neutral countries in WWII always start with the letter "S" (Switzerland, Spain, and Sweden) ? and i think like the "Karma" is never wrong, in here we always have a forest fires/ wild fires every summer, the smokes always go bad and come to Singapore and Malaysia, and they must to close school and workplaces coz it's unhealthy, first they blame Indonesia for that smokes, but then after the investigation we did, the source of that wild fires are made by the owner of oil palm plantation in Sumatra and Kalimantan island, and whose the owner of that plantation? They are the citizen of Singapore and Malaysia in Indonesia we have this quotes "Tidak ada asap jika tidak ada api" means that theres no smoke if theres no fire, if we want to know why we get smokes, we have to find who set the fire. The Singapore and Malaysia goverment finally give charge to their citizen who made that fire. And magically the smokes never going to Java island, Thailand, but i don't know if Brunei Darussalam get that smokes too. Even that wildfire in Australia, the smoke never get to Java island see...that Karma never wrong

@RusA #9857202

Yes, it's quite a business, this victim game. One hot-button issue today is that black people who have never been enslaved want white people who have never owned slaves, to pay them "reparations" (which is otherwise spelled "f-r-e-e m-o-n-e-y" )
because their ancestors from five, six, or seven generations ago were slaves who were badly treated. The only fair kind of reparations are to living people who have been imprisoned for decades for a crime that contemporary re-examination proves they didn't commit, who who have otherwise suffered a catastrophic loss at the hands of the government or the police. Everything else is pretty much trying to get something for nothing.

I mentioned the term "category grifter" before; "grifter" means a con artist, and a category grifter is a person who insist that because they belong to some category of people who have suffered awful things, they ought to be given goodies they haven't earned. Now even white people are getting into the act: I'm unlucky that I have no ancestors who were Irish (who were badly treated by the British, and then badly treated when they came to the U.S.) or Italian (who were poor or persecuted in the Old Country, and also treated badly when they came here). In reality, German immigrants and German-Americans were persecuted, if not viciously attacked, during World War I in much the same way that Muslims are today, so maybe I can get in on the Oppression Olympics myself. Though people would tend not to take you seriously if you tried to claim special favors because your German ancestors were treated badly.

Jews were treated pretty badly both in Europe and the U.S., but except for some legitimate situations in Germany that occurred during the Nazi era, they're not trying to get reparations - probably because (as some would say) they own everything and control the money supply anyway. Or maybe it's just because their culture teaches people to be responsible and to work hard to get what you want.

Funny that in your language it's "There's no smoke where there's no fire". In English, we express it in just the opposite way: "Where there's smoke, there's fire", meaning if there are rumors going around about something, there's probably some kind of truth behind it. Since this is obviously not always the case, some of us clever people will say, "Where there's smoke, it might just be a smokebomb".

@uktana #9857247 WHAT? I never heard about that "reparation", that insane
Even the first country is playing the victim too, i mean... It was a treaty agreement to open their country for immigrants, so..they have responsibility to follow that treaty(i forgot the name of that treaty) so... If they don't want their country full of immigrant, why don't they renew that treaty? Or make something to make the original country peacefull again.
But white peoples this day also must to remind themselves that black peoples today already free, so...they won't call 911 when black peoples just want to relax having barbeque at the park
BTW... I read this from an Indonesian who live in Norway, and she works in University in Oslo. One day one of her coworker (a German proffesor in university) went jail, coz someone made a call to police when he was walking with his black wife, the German proffesor has a long hair, and the university must to explain to the police that he and his wife not a criminal, they were just exercising at the park

@uktana but...the mermaid only live in southern Hindia ocean... This location is more like the north sea between the big islands https://images.app.goo.gl/uqZ4W6mjowJub4uR9 indonesia

@RusA #9857203

Must be aliens to blame or something for the Masalembo Triangle, and not mermaids. The ETs or Atlanteans or whoever must have moved that giant crystal pyramid in the Atlantic Ocean over to Southeast Asia - some of the articles I found pointed out that there haven't been any mysterious crashes or disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle for a good long time, but just look at what's going on in Indonesia! They suggested that whatever force used to be active in the Atlantic has now moved, and that would explain what's going on in your part of the world. (The idea of the crystal pyramids being moved is my own addition to the pile of nonsense accumulated information. )

Either that, or you folks are going to have to try to rustle up a whole lot more virgins to sacrifice to the sea gods.

@uktana #9857249 WHAT? Crystal Pyramid from Planet Krypton
We already sacrified some virgin goat and chicken, like in Thailand they use Fanta to replace the blood

@RusA #9857285

So has Thailand had any unusual plane crashes lately? If not, then the Fanta must be working.

@uktana #9857297 oh...no.. Theres no plane crash in Thailand, they just have unusual King

@RusA #9857285 #9857297 #9857299

Oh, now I know what you're talking about.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/thailand-drinks

I find it funny that people who follow Afro-Caribbean religions (Voudoun, Macumba, Santera, etc) offer rum to their loa (gods and spirits). They also sacrifice chickens, so maybe the loa would be satisfied with Fanta if it was offered to them in place of the chickens.

@uktana #9857302 yeah.... Strawberry Fanta is the spirits most fav.drink today, they even say "Yukz" to the real blood

@RusA #9857286
WHAT? I never heard about that "reparation", that insane

You'd think so, huh? This idea got started as a minor idea within the Civil Rights movement in the Sixties, but faded away until recently. Now with everything being about "systemic racism", the idea has reared its ugly head again. To me, the idea of paying reparations to people because their distant ancestors were enslaved is about as nonsensical as one Balkan ethnic group demanding reparations from another Balkan ethnic group, because that group pushed the members of the first group into the territory of a third group, who treated them badly. But then, I'm a middle-class white male, what do I know, right?

But white peoples this day also must to remind themselves that black peoples today already free, so...they won't call 911 when black peoples just want to relax having barbeque at the park

Not to be unfair about it, because black people and Hispanics, and recently Asians as well, can't go outside and be 100% guaranteed they won't be hassled by someone. Puerto Ricans especially and Asian-Americans get shouted at to "go back to where you came from", even though "where they came from" might just as easily be Brooklyn as anyplace else. It's part of our culture that when things start going downhill, we start blaming people who "look different".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees This refugee agreement, today... it become the boomerang for the countries who signed the treaty. Indonesia still in the grey area or non member.

Oh, yes, I've heard of this one. I think the U.S. is a signatory to part of it but not all of it, but I'm not really sure. Our problems with immigrants has been with "economic immigrants", who come here to make a better life, and not so much political refugees except during major wars. But the majority of our recent immigrants at the southern border have been refugees from Central America fleeing violence and persecution, rather than economic immigrants from Mexico looking for work. We don't want to send them back to a dangerous situation, but there are so many that we can't possibly absorb them all. So it's a problem, and will be one of the issues that will define the Biden administration in history, just as Trump's failure to build his big, beautiful wall is one of his.

@uktana #9857300
But then, I'm a middle-class white male, what do I know, right?
Oh.... I have a brilliant ideas about this one
1. First u show them your empty wallet and say "see...theres nothing in there."
2. More creative way..u should fill your wallet with leaves from trees and then show them any say "please... Take them all, i don't need them anymore.
I saw in Conan O'brien that Biden want to change " andrew JacKson" pic with "Harriet Tubman" in $20 , that thing was told in Obama era but then Trump cancled that. And then Conan said that "it's a great thing, but we don't use paper money anymore, specially in this pandemic".

Yeah... Your economical immigrant, maybe they just want to see " Robocop".
I saw on youtube that middle eastern immigrant made a video about how they can pick real money on trees in Sweden, maybe that's why they take a risk to ride small boat to Europe

@RusA #9857313 It's a good thing they didn't decide to try to put Tubman on a new one-dollar coin. Both the Susan B. Anthony dollar and the Sacagawea dollar were huge flops. I'm not sure why the U.S. Mint keeps putting out dollar coins when it's clear that the public doesn't want to use them. The twenty-dollar bill is the most widely used of the paper currency, so white supremacists will have to start doing what American Indians have done with the Andrew Jackson twenty for many years: only handle the bill face down so you don't have to look at the portrait. (Pres. Andrew Jackson is one of the most hated historical figures to Indians, since he forced the Southeastern tribes off their land and onto the first reservation.)

And then Conan said that "it's a great thing, but we don't use paper money anymore, specially in this pandemic".

Funny you should mention it: when I got my haircut, I offered my debit card as usual, and the barber said, Sorry we don't take cards, it's cash only. I realized that I hadn't handled any cash for a good three months. Fortunately, he trusted me to run around the corner to the ATM.

Yeah... Your economical immigrant, maybe they just want to see " Robocop".

I've been making jokes about how all those unaccompanied minors showing up at the southern border from Central America, want to come to America because it's a free country where they can read Dr. Seuss books, watch Speedy Gonzales cartoons, and eat lots of pancakes with Aunt Jemima syrup while they watch the Washington Redskins play football.

@uktana #9857317 oh... I saw in Truman movie, when he said that he was joinning the white supremacist when he was young coz his father was there too, and George Washington wasn't really happy when his army mixed with black peoples.

Maybe u're the loyal customer in that barber shop, so.... They trust u when u said don't have any cash.
i'm still using cash in here for buy anything from the small shop nearby coz they don't take any card too, i even don't wear a mask when go there to buy something

Lol yeah...many immigrants come to USA to read Dr. Seuss books, but i don't know who is Speedy Gonzales and Aunt Jemima syrup.
I don't really understand why they really want to move to the first country, for me like even the news always said a good things about the first country, such as... Zero crimes, great education, exellent health care, very-very rich, cleanest water, healthiest foods, very-very happy place, modern technology....etc... But still why they suicide rate is so high? Not just the first country that full with immigrants, in Asia a country like Japan, which just approve max 6 immigrants a year also has the highest suicide rate.
I mean like in here we have to much excusses to die, like we kill each others when i see the crime news, or vulcano can kill us, or Tsunami can kill us, or our polluted and unhealthy foods can kill us, but most of us still alive and still the most populated country in the world
And if i want to be an immigrant, i more prefer the country like Barbados, coz i can't stand the cold in 4 seasons country, maybe just visit the first country for 2 weeks is a fun thing but not to move there

@RusA #9857322
oh... I saw in Truman movie, when he said that he was joinning the white supremacist when he was young coz his father was there too, and George Washington wasn't really happy when his army mixed with black peoples.

In Washington's time, most black people were still slaves, in fact the Founding Fathers are all getting a bad rap from the "anti-racism" crowd for owning slaves, even though if you had a farm or a large business, you had slaves, period - that's just how things were back then. Free blacks certainly existed, but how "equal" they were was quite controversial at the time.

Irrespective of what racist ideas Pres. Truman grew up with in Missouri, he's a major figure in the Civil Rights history because he desegregated the Armed Forces. This was a very big deal at the time (1948). I'm not sure what his attitudes were in other situations.

Lol yeah...many immigrants come to USA to read Dr. Seuss books, but i don't know who is Speedy Gonzales and Aunt Jemima syrup.

I was making a joke about how the Left wants to eliminate anything it sees as having anything at all to do with their use of the word "racist". This included eliminating any people of color from the logos or advertising of products, or in books and films that children might see, or that they themselves might see and get offended by. I made a Totally Not Fake News thread about it when it first hit the news cycle. ~9833139

Aunt Jemima is a brand of syrup that used a "Negro Mammy" character in its advertising, when such things were acceptable. This is considered an offensive stereotype today; and even though the look of Aunt Jemima changed over the years to a friendly middle-class black woman, this didn't satisfy the critics.


Old Aunt Jemima / New Aunt Jemima

I sort of understand that one, but eliminating Uncle Ben makes less sense, and changing the female-shaped bottle of Mrs. Butterworth syrup makes even less sense, since she's not explicitly a black woman anyway.

Speedy Gonzales is a popular character on the old Warner Brothers cartoons, where he and Sylvester the Cat had the kind of relationship that The Road Runner and The Coyote had - Sylvester would try to catch Speedy, and Speedy would zoom around and get the best of him. The Left considers him to be an offensive stereotype of Mexicans, even though Hispanic people love the character. Perfect example of white people getting publicly offended on behalf of minority people who are not offended in the first place. And if you point this out to them, they just insist that those poor minority people are just too dumb to be offended by such obviously evil images. (Not that they put it exactly that way, of course. They would say something more like, that Black-and-Brown People need to have their consciousness raised about the systemic racism that they weren't paying attention to up to now - or something like that.)

And six of Dr. Seuss' books have been dropped by the publisher for racially-insensitive drawings of Africans and Asians, and the result was that many other Dr. Seuss books shot up into the top twenty books being sold on Amazon. I made a Fake News post about this ~9855395 , and also a serious one that this might be a plot by the publisher to sacrifice a few least-selling books in order to get sensible people mad enough to go out and buy the other books. ~9855528

I mean like in here we have to much excusses to die, like we kill each others when i see the crime news, or vulcano can kill us, or Tsunami can kill us, or our polluted and unhealthy foods can kill us, but most of us still alive and still the most populated country in the world

Sounds like Indonesia is almost as bad as Australia about everything wanting to kill you, except tht Australia has fewer people to kill.

@uktana
 #9857326. Maybe that peoples want to erase all the bad stereotype about black peoples for almost 300 years, it's not just in USA, but some in small part of the world, it still exist. And that many Hollywood movie recently also make that as awareness of that kind of bad prejudice. It's also one of the song in "into the woods", want to change that things start from the children in today generation. And they don't sell that books just in USA, but all over the world.
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/barbrastreisand/childrenwilllisten.html
How do you say to your child in the night
"Nothing's all black, but then nothing's all white"
How do you say "It will all be alright"
When you know that it might not be true
What do you do?

Careful the things you say
Children will listen
Careful the things you do
Children will see and learn
Children may not obey
But, children will listen
Children will look to you
For which way to turn
To learn what to be
Careful before you say
"Listen to me"
Children will listen
This song also is in "into the woods" movie.

Like that when Justin Trudeu must apologize for his black face picture, or Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon had to appologize when they play black face character in SNL, moral of that story : before u get famous, make sure that u don't have any racist comment or racist picture from the past documented coz the internet will always find it, and since u a white man, they will make it bigger


Yeah... Why people always think that Australia full of many scary things that can kill them They more have friendly city with free clean toilet like Brisbane . My mom said in Switzerland their toilets are so clean but expensive
My friend once told me, after she went to Singapore that she found out that the news in Singapore aren't really news, she meant that theres no criminal news there, then i said "yeah.. They crime is almost zero, they also the first country in south east Asia." and then she said "but it so boring". So...maybe for Indonesian our crime news can be somekind of entertainment

@RusA #9857335
Like that when Justin Trudeu must apologize for his black face picture, or Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon had to appologize when they play black face character in SNL, moral of that story : before u get famous, make sure that u don't have any racist comment or racist picture from the past documented coz the internet will always find it, and since u a white man, they will make it bigger

That's true. Blackface comedy used to be considered funny rather than insulting, sometimes considered a friendly tribute to black culture. It was quite popular among college frat boys, which is getting a lot of them in trouble if they become famous later on.

Also, in the old days, theatrical actors were taught to do "ethnic" makeup and accents as part of their craft, which included stereotyped "Negro", "Oriental", and "Native" characters. This sort of thing is considered unacceptable today, especially when done in a ridiculous way like Mickey Rooney's Japanese character in Breakfast At Tiffany's. I just saw an old horror movie called From Hell It Came, the one about a killer tree stump , and though it takes place on an unnamed South Sea island, most of the "natives" were obviously American actors in dark makeup and wigs.

My father tells about the time when he was in college in the mid-Seventies: one of their talent shows was framed as an episode of Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, with students playing Carson and his sidekick Ed McMahon and various then-well-known celebrities. Then the students who were presenting their talents were introduced as "guests" on the show (including my dad's jazz ensemble). One of the "celebrities" on the show was a football player who dressed up as someone who was quite well-known at the time: the black comedian Flip Wilson in his drag character "Geraldine Jones". To be clear about it: this white student did a routine as Geraldine in blackface and in drag! This was in the mid-Seventies, when blackface was still considered funny, but drag was quite risqué. We don't know what ever became of that student. He could get away with it because he was an straight athlete and a leftist activist - blackface and drag was sort of his way of demonstrating that everyone is equal, male, female, black, white, and everyone. Not many people would see it that way today, and we sometimes joke about if he turned conservative like a lot of Seventies liberals did in the Eighties, and suddenly the college yearbook turned up at his investment firm or whatever, with the photo of him as Geraldine.

My friend once told me, after she went to Singapore that she found out that the news in Singapore aren't really news, she meant that theres no criminal news there, then i said "yeah.. They crime is almost zero, they also the first country in south east Asia." and then she said "but it so boring"

My impression of Singapore is that there's so little crime because they'll slap you in jail and beat you with a rattan cane for tossing a wrapper on the sidewalk. So everyone behaves themselves.

We don't have a lot of pay toilets in the U.S., but in many places the public toilets are locked and you have to get the key from whomever is in charge. Cleanliness varies enormously, from squeaky clean to shockingly filthy, and a lot of public facilities make a big deal out of how spic-and-span their bathrooms are. There's a joke about a Swede driving across America who saw a sign that said: CLEAN BATHROOMS, so he cleaned fifty of them.

@uktana  #9857348 the funny thing that i found about the peoples on the internet, they not just digging about a white man or woman did in their past with somekind the racist thing that normal in the past. Even Kamala Haris as a women who half black and half Indian, if u think that peoples on the internet just let her go, ŵell... They don't, they keep digging about Kamala's grandfather in Jamaica who had slaves so....they not just attack the white person,but also the black women about her ancestor, that so insane

Yeah...Singapore secret agent also have an access to the phone of their citizen, since they just a small country and have just couples of peoples, and a spy camera everywhere, and too much rules. There was an Indonesia teenagers got viral coz when she went to Singapore with her friends, the hotel staff suspect her bring drugs or cocain, when the cleaning lady staff found a white powder when she clean the toilet, they sent her and her friends to the police. And u know what? It's not a cocain or any drugs, it just the a "deodorant powder" but the hotel wasn't feel guilty about it, and gave her charge of broken door that the hotel staff made. And the girl's father wasn't really happy about it and made a bad review about the hotel to the media. Then the hotel made a apologize statement and cancel their charge. Singapore is the only country in south east Asia which has that free drinkable water in their park

Oh... That's a funny jokes about a Sweds clean the toilet

@uktana BTW... U still can mocking anything here with your comments, since u're not using your real name as an ID, and no one knows your real name

@uktana #9856863 oh...Gracie always has many weird jokes. What i like about that show is they always do the advertising during the show, like how to use the "Carnation" then Harry Von Zell will make a cream souce or something from the milk.
And in one episode that Harry Morton said that "if he has a wife like Gracie, then he will be rich ļike George "

@RusA #9856872
What i like about that show is they always do the advertising during the show, like how to use the "Carnation" then Harry Von Zell will make a cream souce or something from the milk.

I know, it always seems strange to me when they bring the story to a screeching halt in order to hawk some Carnation evaporated milk. Evidently, this was the way products were advertised on TV back then, but there are very few examples left that anyone watches, and we're so used to discrete commercial breaks that it seems at least as weird as Gracie's dialogue.

@uktana #9856874 yeah...and another weird thing on the show was, when their children finally came to the show, they already teenagers, first they introduce there was a daughter and a son, in season 4,but then only the son "Ronny" who still stay until the end of the seasons, and he is their real adopted son of George and Gracie.
I've seen that kind of things when i saw the "Cosby show" before i know that Bill Cosby is a sexual predator
In the Cosby show pilot, they said they just have 3 kids, but then they added one more"Sandra" after some episodes and said their oldest kid study in university that never home, and TA-DA they ended with 4 kids. It' doesn't matter if it's not make sense, it just a tv show

@RusA There are more than a few incidents of TV shows changing the number of children, sometimes explained, sometimes not. On the 60s sitcom My Three Sons, the oldest son got married and moved out of town. So in order to keep from having to change the name of the show to My Two Sons and the One Who Doesn't Live Here Anymore , the family adopted a younger orphan who had previously been fostered by some of their neighbors, and became three sons again. So that one was well-explained.

Fun fact: the actor who played the new son, Barry Livingston, was the biological brother of the actor who played the the now-middle son, Stanley Livingston. It's weird that the stepson looks more like one of his stepbrothers, than that stepbrother looks like his "natural" brother.


Fred MacMurray, William Demarest, and the three sons. The Livingston brothers are in the front.

Not so well explained was the disappearance of Chuck Cunningham on the Seventies show Happy Days, the older brother of Ritchie (Ron Howard's character). His unexplained disappearance, and the fact that he was never again mentioned on the show, gave the name to a dramatic trope: Chuck Cunningham Syndrome. There's another famous example in one of the old soap operas. From the article linked above:

In a 1970 episode of the soap All My Children, a teen named Bobby Martin goes up in his family's attic to wax his skis. The actor was then abruptly fired and so Bobby was never seen again. Years later, the show lampshaded this by having a character go into the same attic and find a skeleton with a pair of skis, wearing a ski hat with "Bobby" on it ...

I love gallows humor!

@uktana #9856892 ow... Thanx, so many that i never seen "My three sons" and "Happy days", they made that a syndrom
Yeah...the actor not only left but sometimes they got fired or die, and they change the actors and the story but not the name of the show

@RusA #9856897 This reminds me of an incident that happened with a sitcom back in the Eighties: Valerie Harper was a popular actress, known for a role in the classic Mary Tyler Moore Show, and she got her own sitcom titled Valerie, in which she played a character named Valerie Hogan. After two seasons of good ratings, she demanded more money, and when the production company wouldn't give it to her, she walked out. This was followed by a series of lawsuits and negotiations, which ended up with the producers basically telling her, "You can't quit, you're fired!" The show continued with the teenage sons, and with their aunt heading the household, under the name Valerie's Family. The series continued to do well in the ratings, so the brass decided, "Well, who needs Valerie Harper anyway?", and the name was changed to The Hogan Family, and it went on for three more seasons.

Something similar happened to Roseanne Barr, with the new version of her sitcom Rosanne: when she got too demanding, the brass fired her, but continued the show under the name The Conners, and it's presently doing quite well without her.

@uktana #9856907 oh...that Rossane was the still new, i remember one of the late night tv show mocking her, after her show was cancel and she move to Israel to runaway from her drama. And then the host said "u go to middle east to find a peacefull place"

@RusA #9856911 Roseanne's done some pretty bizarre things in her lifetime, so it doesn't surprise me that she would go to the Middle East to find a peaceful life. She ran for President in 2012 (Spoiler alert: she lost ). I think I had a post somewhere in my Not Fake News thread about how after Sarah Huckabee Sanders stepped down from her position as White House press secretary, Trump was going to appoint Roseanne to replace her.

@uktana #9856948 ow...so Kanye West isn't the only one who lost at his presidency campaign
Trump always had the funniest White House press secretary like that Sarah Sanders, Sean Spicer, i hope it was Roseanne and not that McEnnany
Today WH press secretary is just too normal, i never interested to watch it again

@RusA #9856966
Trump always had the funniest White House press secretary like that Sarah Sanders, Sean Spicer, i hope it was Roseanne and not that McEnnany
Today WH press secretary is just too normal, i never interested to watch it again

I'm a little late in noticing this one, but I couldn't help commenting about how nice it is to have a President that doesn't stick his face in a TV camera every chance he gets, who people don't listen to most of what he says, and who seems to want to work with the Republicans to get things done. (So far I'd give him a grade of C- on that one, but he's got lots of room to improve ). Also, it's nice to have a Press Secretary who doesn't lie about everything, and a Cabinet full of people who I have to look up to remember who they are, and who just quietly do their jobs. Boy, what a difference!

I do miss some of the entertainment value of Trump's Press Secretaries and Cabinet members, and it's darn difficult to figure out how to make fun of them, but I'm not really complaining about it.

@uktana https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees This refugee agreement, today... it become the boomerang for the countries who signed the treaty. Indonesia still in the grey area or non member.

@RusA #9856966
Trump always had the funniest White House press secretary like that Sarah Sanders, Sean Spicer, i hope it was Roseanne and not that McEnnany
Today WH press secretary is just too normal, i never interested to watch it again

I'm a little late in noticing this one, but I couldn't help commenting about how nice it is to have a President that doesn't stick his face in a TV camera every chance he gets, who people don't listen to most of what he says, and who seems to want to work with the Republicans to get things done. (So far I'd give him a grade of C- on that one, but he's got lots of room to improve ). Also, it's nice to have a Press Secretary who doesn't lie about everything, and a Cabinet full of people who I have to look up to remember who they are, and who just quietly do their jobs. Boy, what a difference!

I do miss some of the entertainment value of Trump's Press Secretaries and Cabinet members, and it's darn difficult to figure out how to make fun of them, but I'm not really complaining about it.

@RusA #9856966
Trump always had the funniest White House press secretary like that Sarah Sanders, Sean Spicer, i hope it was Roseanne and not that McEnnany
Today WH press secretary is just too normal, i never interested to watch it again

I'm a little late in noticing this one, but I couldn't help commenting about how nice it is to have a President that doesn't stick his face in a TV camera every chance he gets, who people don't listen to most of what he says, and who seems to want to work with the Republicans to get things done. (So far I'd give him a grade of C- on that one, but he's got lots of room to improve ). Also, it's nice to have a Press Secretary who doesn't lie about everything, and a Cabinet full of people who I have to look up to remember who they are, and who just quietly do their jobs. Boy, what a difference!

I do miss some of the entertainment value of Trump's Press Secretaries and Cabinet members, and it's darn difficult to figure out how to make fun of them, but I'm not really complaining about it.

@uktana #9857278 yeah... Funny things that i know and just remember all the WH press secretary in Trump era, i didn''t know who was in Obama era and even in Biden era

@RusA #9857284
yeah... Funny things that i know and just remember all the WH press secretary in Trump era, i didn''t know who was in Obama era and even in Biden era

I know Jen Psaki, Biden's press secretary, just because she's on the news all the time, but I'd pretty much have to go all the way back to the Reagan administration to find a familiar name, and that's just because I watch the Johnny Carson show a lot, and he made fun of them sometimes.

@uktana #9856909 when i took a picture with a big tiger at a zoo. The tiger really looks like a big cat and i just want to do like Elmyra always do to her cat in looney toons "I Taut I Taw A Putty- Tat"

@RusA #9856912 Our public TV network had a series of documentaries about cats, talking about their evolution, their history, and how they live in their environments, from lions and tigers to housecats. One of the most impressive things was that they pointed out that biologically, all cats are pretty much the same, in spite of their differences in looks and size. When I've seen them in zoos, it doesn't take much imagination to see them as being just big housecats.



Supposedly, cats became domesticated shortly after humans invented agriculture and then invented something called "grain storage". With stored grain came hungry mice, and after the mice showed up, the wild desert or jungle cats starting showing up to prey on them. It didn't take long for the humans to realize that it would be nice to have cats around all the time, and for the cats to realize that there was more to life than scrounging around for a living.

@uktana #9856943 ow...thanx for the explanation about the King of the jugle and the king of the internet, they're almost the same
But i'm afraid if i do things when i touch the big tiger like i do to the small cat, that Tiger will eat me

@RusA Yeah, I've had a few "playful" fights with cats that left scratches all over my forearms, so they're by no means less fully armed than a tiger, they're just smaller. If a housecat were big enough, it would probably eat humans, too.

@uktana #9857018 oh...when my parents told me to sleep alone in my own bed room for the first time, i asked them if i can pet a cat, i was afraid with ghost and didn't want to sleep alone upstairs. First they said "no" cat as a pet since my father already have fish and bird as pets. But then there was a foster cat that always came to our house, and my father's car accidently crash the cat, we though the cat run away and die somewhere, but then he magically came back and alive, they really have a nine life
So...finally i was allowed to pet that cat, and sleep with the cat in my bed room, but it wasn't easy to make the cat stay all night in my room. I must to fight with the cat, so he can't escape from the window and my arm always full with the scratches all the time. My friends always asked me when they saw all that scratches if i fight with someone or i want to kill myself, and i must to explained to them that it was a cat that made it
BTW, my mom said if the cat can life for over ten years, they become a witch,and my first cat life almost 15 years, so we though he must be a witch

@RusA #9857028
First they said "no" cat as a pet since my father already have fish and bird as pets.

Yeah, I can see how with fish and birds as pets, they'd be reluctant to have a cat around.

BTW, my mom said if the cat can life for over ten years, they become a witch,and my first cat life almost 15 years, so we though he must be a witch

I've never heard that one. In Western folklore, cats are associated with witches, but as familiars (demonic assistants) or as the shape a witch takes when she sends her spirit out to cause mischief. One or both of these is the reason we say that it's bad luck for a black cat to cross your path: it might be that a witch or her familiar has noticed you and might do you harm.

As far as age goes, a fifteen-year-old cat is just an old cat, we have no particular anxieties about that, except that the owner might have to spend a bundle of money on veterinarian bills.

@uktana Oh....the cat was abandoned adult cat that i took and foster, just short hair local cat, not a persian flat nose or angora cat. The local cat in here usually just eat fish mixed with rice and nothing expensive foods, and he was an expert hunter, coz he used to be outside. I once found the Persian cat, and after asked the neighbor if they lost their cat, and nobody claim the cat, then try to feed him, first with the expensive foods but then he doesn't want to eat that food again and more like the fish mixed with rice
Yeah... Why is always black cat associated with witch, for me all cat are evil

@RusA #9857053
Yeah... Why is always black cat associated with witch, for me all cat are evil

It may be because the color black is traditionally associated with sorrow and loss (people at funerals and in mourning often dress in black), and also with the Devil and the powers of darkness. Witches were said to deal with the Devil appearing as "The Black Man" - this does not mean a person of African descent with dark brown skin; it means a humanoid figure who is literally the color of coal. So, in a natural association of thought, black cats along with other black animals came to be seen as servants of these powers.

I think a lot of that comes from the spookiness of encountering a black cat at night: they blend into the darkness, so they can suddenly appear or disappear seemingly out of nowhere; or they can appear as just a pair of glowing eyes, which can be quite frightening until you figure out that it's just a cat.

@uktana Ow....thanx for the explanation, but when i was in the dark, i can't even see my white shirt and all colors, expt. If it's glow in the dark, and every cats have their light in their eyes when the dark. So... I'm still in my opinion that all cats are evil, not only the black one

@uktana #9857073 BTW i didn't mean that black cat as the racist way. And i know u're not racist either coz u use your ID "Uktena" as native American legend, i love all your answears, but sorry i can't reply it in long answear coz i get dizzy with my own english

@RusA #9857118

That's OK, I don't have much trouble following what you're saying, and you seem to understand me OK, which is more than I can say for some English speakers, who think I "use too many big words".

And besides that, you're about the only person left on this board I can have decent conversations with. The Yellow Aardvark just wants to play headgames, American Butterfly mostly talks about fan art, comrade_Comrade might as well be "Russia Today Digest", and except for Erik, everyone else seems to have left. I continue to post on the forum just because I've been doing it so long, and these days I do it mostly to amuse myself.

@uktana #9857136 luckily we do this conversation in written, so... I can use google for something that i don't understand if we do this face to face, u only just look at my blank face " heh...what? I don't understand what u mean??? and when i speak the English words is worst that my writting
Yeah...more jokes from Eric's post
Psssstttt... I hope that Eric didn't read our adult conversiation about "Doraemon" he's too young for that

@RusA #9857153
luckily we do this conversation in written, so... I can use google for something that i don't understand

I'm glad you take the trouble to look things up, that's what I do when I talk to people on other forums, esp people who are older than me who remember a lot of pop culture that I either don't know at all, or have barely heard of. Unfortunately, from a lot of people I get a response something like, "I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, and don't care even a little bit".

if we do this face to face, u only just look at my blank face " heh...what? I don't understand what u mean??? and when i speak the English words is worst that my writting

I can sympathize somewhat, because that's how I am with French. I can write in French pretty well with a fair number of grammatical mistakes, but when I try to speak it to a French person, that's pretty much the reaction I get - that blank look that says I might as well be speaking Swahili to them. I can also carry on a written conversation in German and Danish, but forget about any face-to-face conversation in those two languages!

@uktana #9857195 Swahili? How about your native Chinese
I think that u're smart but not that snobbish, like u already did the SWOT analysis, so...that u know your weakness, and then no problem with other peoples mistake
Yeah... I mean like sometimes the google not always right too, that's why after searching it i also ask if that is your talking about to just clarify something that i don't understand.
Oh... BTW... I remember one of the racial jokes in "Modern Family" tv show,theres a character "Phil" when he went to some summer camp,and he join the team games, they name their team "white" and then their make a T-shirt with the slogan "u aren't white, u aren't right." and when Phil go home still wearing that T-shirt with Uber, the Uber driver is an African-American man, and then when he arrive at his house, the Uber driver is so mad when read that words, then he gave Phil's bags with angry face. And then Phil just looks at the camera, and don't really understand why that Uber driver really mad at him

@RusA #9857208
Swahili? How about your native Chinese
I think that u're smart but not that snobbish, like u already did the SWOT analysis, so...that u know your weakness, and then no problem with other peoples mistake

Well, that's true, I am as fluent in Chinese as I am in Swahili, so there's that.

Sometimes people think I'm a snob because I listen to classical music, prefer wine to beer, can talk about Shakespeare and James Joyce, and speak with a more-or-less "educated" diction. But what such people don't notice is that I also listen to grunge music, like a good beer now and then, can talk about comic books and crappy movies; and with an English-teacher mother and a wannabe-lawyer father, "proper" English just comes naturally to me - and I don't got no problem with yakkin' like a yokel if I git durn ready to.

Yeah... I mean like sometimes the google not always right too, that's why after searching it i also ask if that is your talking about to just clarify something that i don't understand.

I have a problem with people who think that the internet never lies. Me: "Man, where'd you get a crazy idea like that?" Them: "Well, it's all over the internet!" (Implying, "so therefore it must be true."). Me: "I never heard of such a thing; and in all modesty, I spend a lot of my time online, and if I never heard it, it can't be all over anything!" They actually mean something like, "It's all over Facebook and Twitter and all those fruitcake sites that I get my news from instead of the lying mainstream media". The latest one is: something terrible is going to happen to Pres. Biden and V.P. Harris, and so we'll have a special election, and Trump will win and be President again. I just tell them to find some website that explains the 25th Amendment to the Constitution and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, which say that if something happens to Biden and Harris, then Nancy Pelosi (as Speaker of the House) then becomes President. Boy, THAT freaks them out! Invariably, such people think they're smarter than I am because they know how to find things on the internet, whereas I regard them as badly educated because they don't know how to evaluate and judge the truth or fallacy of what they find.

I never took a shine to Modern Family, though from what I've seen, it seems to be full of clever humor, and that story is pretty funny. It reminds me of a scene from Crocodile Dundee, where Dundee, fresh from the Australian outback, encounters an African-American limo driver, and says, just to be friendly, "So what tribe are you from, mate?" Limo driver: "Tribe?" Dundee: "Yeah, you're a blackfellow aren't you?" The driver looks at his hand and says, "I was the last time I looked!"

We have an old expression to thank someone for going out of their way to do you a favor: "Thanks, that's mighty white of you!" This originally meant "white" as a symbol of purity and spiritual grace, similar to how we say, "Thanks, you're an angel". But NObody takes it that way these days, as you might imagine, and it's one of those things that you just don't say.

@uktana
Speaking of which, I've always found it funny how big cats treat cardboard boxes pretty much exactly the same way a house cat would.

@EricTheRedAndWhite Well, there you go!

@uktana https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf3ER5Ope_s this American gothic painting's model were the painter dentist and his sister, and was a 2nd winner also sold just for $200 it just like Van Gogh just sold only 1 or 2 of his paintings and become popular after he die

@RusA Grant Wood's American Gothic is one of the most famous images ever in our culture. As the video points out, there are endless parodies of it. I even did one myself: ~9821881

And it's true, you never know what piece of art is going to become famous later on, when it first comes out.

@uktana Oh.... Not just the painter, when i read the author of Moby Dick also not that famous until he die and someone find the book interesting. Picaso and J.K Rowling are the very lucky painter and author

@RusA That's quite true. Back in the early 1800s, the composer Felix Mendelssohn started championing the music of a rather obscure Baroque-era composer who wrote his music about a century and a half earlier, and whose work practically nobody was listening to. That composer's name was Johann Sebastian Bach, whose work today is considered foundational to nearly all Western concert music, largely thanks to Mendelssohn getting people to give him a listen.

There's lately been a revival of one of Bach's contemporaries, one John Hebden, whose name, in all my musical education and experience, I never heard even once until just a few years ago. As far as I can tell, his music isn't considered as influential as Bach's (and there's very little of it surviving after 400 years of obscurity), but it's nevertheless quite as good as some of his other contemporaries.

The opposite of this is an artist, actor, or other performer who gets very popular in his time, but then a few decades later he's all but forgotten. One of the problems I have watching old episodes of Johnny Carson's talk show, is that in his monologue he mentions a lot of public figures, politicians, and entertainers, who were clearly well-known at the time, but whom I have to look up to see who they were and what's so funny about them. For every Picasso, there are a dozen artists like Gleizes (who?). And since Rowling is contemporary with us, and still very much alive, it would be interesting to see if anyone is still reading Harry Potter books 100 years from now.

@uktana Oh... I though that Johann Sebastian Bach already famous along time ago...
Yeah... Gleizes who? Cubism really that popular. I saw in Madeline that French cartoon, mocking about how the kids can make a painting and she forgot where she put her painting when she was waiting to see "Mona Lisa" at Louvre, and then the next day there is a news about how people talking about unknow painting that they found in the museum and think it was made by Matis coz she just use "M" as her ID
BTW... If u already complete your Covid-19 vaccine, u won't be able to make that survivor pandemic tattoo,if u afraid with needles, right?

@RusA #9857083
I saw in Madeline that French cartoon, mocking about how the kids can make a painting and she forgot where she put her painting when she was waiting to see "Mona Lisa" at Louvre, and then the next day there is a news about how people talking about unknow painting that they found in the museum and think it was made by Matis coz she just use "M" as her ID

Cubism is rather different from non-representational art. Cubism has subjects that are recognizable as people, buildings, or objects, but they are abstracted into flat, distorted shapes. Non-representational art, which is the kind people more usually make fun of, has no recognizable subject, but is judged by things like balance, use of color, and internal logic. I'm no fan of either one, actually, though I did a few of both kinds in my art classes in school (since, thankfully, lost!). As far as cubism goes, I agree with Corky Sherwood on Murphy Brown when, in trying to improve her art education, gave up when she encountered Marcel Duchamp's Nude Descending a Staircase: "I don't get it. Where's the nude? Where's the staircase? They might as well have called it Fish Eating a Cheeseburger!" She apparently never saw the equally famous photograph of Duchamp descending a staircase in the same manner.

Although I get why people like abstract art, I'm the old fashioned sort that thinks such things could just as easily be painted by elephants or monkeys.

BTW... If u already complete your Covid-19 vaccine, u won't be able to make that survivor pandemic tattoo,if u afraid with needles, right?

Oh, dear, I never thought of that. I'm not due for my second shot for a couple of weeks yet, but yeah, the tattoo needles would really freak me out. Maybe I could get one of those decal-type tattoos.

@uktana Yeah...get that stickers waterproof tattoos

@uktana Hot gossip... https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/03/tech/bill-and-melinda-gates-divorce/index.html that's why i never believe in marriage, i never been married and not interested in the future either. I saw in Oprah that when u get married then u dead inside i mean.. Bill Gates and his wife was the perfect couple, so sad for them

@RusA #9857085

Same here. I've seen so many of my friends get married and divorced, sometimes two or three times already, and it's always a mess, especially if children are involved. My older sister got divorced, then married a guy she met online through the World of Warcraft MMORPG. They've been together for many years now, and seem quite happy together, so God bless 'em. My sister got divorced, but got two lovely children out of the deal, both teenagers now. She's on the dating circuit now, but has no plans to re-marry if she can help it. And for me, I've never been married and have no plans to be, partly because I don't want to play the dating games, and partly because I'm really bad at relationships. One advantage of getting older is that at some point, people stopped trying to push their single female friends on me.

@uktana oh... Theres no divorce and partnership without married in my close family, my cousin just ended up in unhappy married, with 2 kids, and i saw my other cousin fight with her new husband at their wedding day
My mom used to push me to get married, she even want me to marry her relative, Yuks...say "no" to incest her last stategy usually make my father the one who push me, but since my father already passed away in 2012, and my little sister also joinning me with "Yukz... Married", so... My mom already gave up
And getting older i'm also more enjoying my "FRREEEDDDDOOOOOMMMMMM"......

@RusA In the U.S., divorce is so easy, and there's so little social stigma attached to it these days, that a lot of marriages end in divorce now, when thirty or forty years ago, they would have tried to work things out. My sisters got married too early, and they and several of my friends were good lessons in taking things easy and not letting people push you into something you don't want. Besides, I'm far too fond of spending time by myself. It was tough enough to live with just roommates, and even then I could lock myself in my room and not come out when I felt like it.

@uktana #9857137 oh... I meant that my cousins are Catholic, they don't believe in divorce, some catholic already not make a divorce as a big deal anymore, we also have a catholic celebrity who got divorce too, but some still believe it's a sin.
And if i want to be a partnership with someone maybe not in this country, like the neighbor will report that kind of things, this not a country for "mind your own business" some peoples who do that kind of partnership relationship usually live in an expensive place, where they don't know whos their neighbors

@RusA #9857152
oh... I meant that my cousins are Catholic, they don't believe in divorce, some catholic already not make a divorce as a big deal anymore, we also have a catholic celebrity who got divorce too, but some still believe it's a sin.

Yes, divorce is still against the teachings of the Catholic Church, but they do have a loophole: they grant annulments, which is an official decision that the marriage was never valid in the first place. There are all kinds of little things that can affect the validity of the Sacrament of Matrimony, and they only need to find one of those things to annul the marriage. But they say that the children of the marriage are still considered legitimate in the eyes of the Church; so from the point of view of a Protestant, it looks like they're giving out divorces and calling them "annulments".

Here in the U.S., Catholics don't always respect the Church's official teachings, and if the bishop won't grant an annulment, they just go ahead and get a civil divorce anyway. I don't begin to know what kind of complications that causes. For us Lutherans, we frown on divorce, and an unhappy couple will work with the pastor and the bishop to work things out; but some marriages just can't be saved, and we consider it a better moral decision to end the marriage and try again than to stay together and make everyone miserable.

And if i want to be a partnership with someone maybe not in this country, like the neighbor will report that kind of things, this not a country for "mind your own business"

Some parts of the U.S. are like that, notably in the South and small towns in the Midwest. Here in the Northeast, people do tend to mind their own business, to the extent that people from the South consider us "unfriendly", while we for our part consider them to be intrusively nosy.

@uktana #9857190 oh...yeah that annulment. My cousin also explaining, that they can do divorce,but it must approved by the Pope. And it will take a long time since the Pope must approve all the divorce cases from all over the world. That's why it makes them lazy to do the divorce

@RusA #9857211 That's the problem with having a global organization where the guy at the top is supposed to make all the important decisions. This is one reason why Americn Catholics tend to do things their own way, which drives the Vatican nuts.

@uktana Oh... I listen to clasical music sometime, but i did remember how difficult when i used to play some of them, that's why i more prefer the pop music i don't understand pure Shakespeare, but recently i just knew that he write some comedy and not just tragedy, and i searcĥ the summary like Love's labor lost, comedy of error, midsummer nights dream, As you like it much Ado About Nothing, All's well that ends well, measure for measure.
Oh... I recently read the Teenlit novel https://www.amazon.com/Planet-Janet-Dyan-Sheldon/dp/0763625566. Planet Janet by Dyan Sheldon, and i really love it. In that novel she mention about Ulysses by James Joyce and The Outsider by Albert Camus. When i search about the Ulysses, which i never heard about James Joyce before, and found the video about that book https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X7FobPxu27M&t=1s
I love when Joyce said, responding to criticism of 'Ulysses' when it was first published, if 'Ulysses' isn't worth reading, then life isn't worth living." in the Planet Janet novel, her teacher also asked her to write story, And when Janet finish made her story and give it to her teacher, then the teacher criticized about the plot of her story doesn't make sense. She said the same thing to her teacher that "it wasn't her problem, that is life"
I really love that Planet Janet novel coz i used to read Famous Five by Enid Blyton when in the book the kids always trust the police, and the police is always right, but in Planet Janet novel already modern, the first edition publish in 2002, so.. It was my teenager time too, and her Janet's friend said to never trust the police in London, after Janet made a report and the police just laugh at her, seem like the recent protest in London about Sarah Everard vvigil.
And she also has a father who she always call "Sigmund" coz he is a psychotherapy like Sigmund Freud. I recently read a books and that Freud name always mention, i didn't know who he was, but then i found out about his psychoanalysis method. He's kinda the father of psychology, and then i found this video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mQaqXK7z9LM&t=5s
I love that he was so clumsy, but then he found something about psichoanalysis, and his studied himself for his work, it just reminds me when my friend change her major to Psychology, and when i asked her why? Her answear was coz she want to heal her self. Yeah...maybe we should analized ourself first, coz we still can lie to the psychotherapy but not to ourselves.

WHAT?the internet say Trump will be President again oh... I love that Nancy Pelosi, she was the one who make trump's impeachment report into pieces, in front of Trump's face
Oh... I used to watch that Crocodile Dundee, but just focus on how he handle the Crocodile, not to his jokes
Some peoples criticized the "Modern Family" coz in that show the white family still allow the Colombian or hispanic step mother, gay son, adopted Asian Vietnamese daughter, but not African-American as the member of the "Modern American Family". And i noticed their jokes about Asian that Asian is a bad driver, and there was a schen when a gay couples telling their Asian adopted daughter not to sit on their new white sofa, and then the daughter protesting why her white persian cat " Larry" can sit on the sofa?, and then one of the gay couple say that "hunny...coz Larry is White." and then the daugter mad and run say "but...u guys choose me." They mean that Larry has the white fur and the daughter wearing dirty dress, but it also can be a racial jokes

@uktana Did u have any relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, Like Prince Andrew and Bill Gates? The funny thing about Bill gates, it wasn't an affair that the cause of divorce but more his relation to Jeffrey Epstein. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/23/bill-gates-melinda-divorce-gates-foundation
And Prince Andrew must to step down from his royal duties coz his best friend :akward:

@RusA #9858602 Funny how Epstein's name turns up in nearly every story about celebrities these days. I doubt that too many of them were actually involved in whatever Epstein was up to, but they probably knew about it and just considered it his little kink. Still, when the news comes out, people are going to wonder why they didn't speak up about what was clearly illegal stuff.

I bet nobody in the Danish Royal Family knew who he was, though.

@uktana #9858633 yeah...he seems like a billionaire mafia or something, i saw the investigation about Epstein privat island, that even the employees know about his bad behaviour, but they alredy in contract not to open their mouth about it
Many celebrities also know Harvey Weinstein, but he wasn't that bad as Epstein.
Yeah...i also think that nobody in a very happy Danish royal family know about him

@RusA #9858645

There are a number of celebrities who have gotten caught with their hands in inappropriate places, whose careers were damaged when the news came out. Right now NY governor Andrew Cuomo is on the hot seat about it, which I did a Not Fake News story about not long ago. ~9855858

Some people I really like, like actor Kevin Spacey, humorist Garrison Keillor, and comedian-turned-politician Al Franken pretty much lost their careers over allegations of improper behavior. This also happened to one of my favorite local celebrities, Geoff Fox, who was a weatherman for Channel 8 in New Haven and did a lot of science reports for various national media. He got fired from Channel 8 for inappropriate behavior, moved to California where he did it again and got fired again, and now is working somewhere in Nebraska. It's funny how someone as intelligent as he is can be so stupid sometimes.

@uktana #9858675 oh...there was one episode in "a good fight" after the Bill Cosby case, in that episode the one famous right activist hero is the partner of the law firm who just die not long ago, and his secretary report the rape case to the firm,and want the money from the firm for her kids, the victims who is a black woman said that she won't tell the media, coz she knows only a few black men that consider a noble men, usually black men always connected with mafia, drug dealers or many crimes, so she knows what the media will always attacking hard to the noble black man than the others. So... It's always depend with the victims.
And the wives of billionair like Milenia Trump, or Melinda Gates have no problem at all when their husband have an affair with other women. And yeah...that Andrew Cuomo seems more like Joe Biden, i saw in 60 minutes Australia, when a women was telling that Biden rape her while she was working with him. But she's not a Trump supporter too, so she didn't make any book about it

@RusA #9858681

Several women have said that Biden touched them in an uncomfortable way, like touching their hair or their shoulders or arms and calling them "Sweetie", or kissed the back of their neck, that sort of thing. Definitely inappropriate and these days mostly illegal as sexual harassment, but not really sexual assault. And frankly, guys as old as Trump, Biden, and Cuomo pretty much expect that they can take such liberties, because they're paying the woman a compliment. OK, Boomers!

One woman who worked for him says he touched her like that, but it wasn't sexual or threatening, and that she quit because he felt like he treated her like an ornament instead of a person (like wanting her to serve drinks at an event because he thought she had nice legs). Then seven years later, during the campaign, she suddenly got her face on TV claiming that Biden really groped her in a really reprehensible way, which she'd never said a word about to anyone before, and which came as news to everyone who knew her at the time. It's almost certain that she's fibbing - when people who knew her called her out on changing her story, she quietly disappeared. Who knows what really happened? but if the woman doesn't call the police or file a lawsuit, and there's no investigation, it turns into "she said" against "he said". Well, she said against he said and she said and she said and she said and she said it didn't happen.

As for Cuomo, I wouldn't put anything past that little speck of lint, but we'll see if anything comes out of it. His defense seems to be that he's an Italian-American guy, and that's the way they treat their women. Even the Democrats aren't letting him get away with that one!

@uktana https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-beer-of-the-future-tastes-like-ass-1846848051/amp
BTW...why they always use something bad tastes like feet or ass? like if feet really tastes that bad?

@RusA #9857323

I know, that one sounds strange to me, too. I love European cheeses with a lot of, um, character, and people tell me that they smell like dirty feet. To me, they have the appealing fragrance of well-ripened cheese.